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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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ISIS (and Al-Qaeda) are predictable, convenient excuses for keeping dictatorships in the Muslim world. Before ISIS took over Raqqah and other territory in Syria and Iraq, it was the FSA (Free Syrian Army), not Assad, who kicked ISIS out of Aleppo and the Damascus countryside. When Putin intervened in 2015, the overwhelming majority of airstrikes targeted the FSA and civilian areas outside the control of both Assad and ISIS (https://www.newsweek.com/more-90-percent-russian-airstrikes-...). For Putin and Pals, ISIS is the gift that keeps on giving.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

In the case of Azerbaijan, my understanding is that western European companies have just blanket bribed more or less every official they interact with up and down the Azeri government for the past few decades, to help them set up contracts that are grossly unfair to the Azeri public. Oil money that does go to Azerbaijan gets embezzled away, with those companies’ knowledge and implicit support. I haven’t heard of anyo…

And vice-versa. Azerbaijan is known to bribe politicians in european and EU organizations, aka the "Azerbaijani laundromat"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_laundromat

https://www.dw.com/en/how-german-politicians-have-aided-the-...

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Whataboutism anyone? You should've received your updated propaganda field guide by now, currently it is no longer advised to so blatantly point somewhere else.

Sorry, but it sounds like a cheap attempt to accuse the other party of propaganda and use the "whataboutism" card.

I don't see anything whataboutism'y where one accuses a foreign state interfering in another state. (and I personally find Kazahstan's idea that rioters received foreign military training funny, since it's the cheapest excuse ex-USSR governments use when people are tired of the same people ruling the country for 20-30 years and start protesting)

For it to be whataboutism, it should include something along the lines of "What about... ?" that discredits an opponent with their own hypocrisy.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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>foreign interests I think he meant the US

Well, given the US-Russia conflict over Ukraine, this conflict is awfully well-timed for the US.

Not everything in life is a conspiracy, and people often rebel spontaneously against their government. Not every revolution in a country ruled by Putin and Pals is waiting for The White House to give the green light.

Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? That was, obviously, not the people’s only grievance, but it was the spark that lead to the protests and rebellion.

The “US meddling” excuse is a tired cliche, and insulting to the people who put their lives on the line to fight oppressive, corrupt regimes.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

"Backed by the west" is a common conspiracy theory pushed by Russian government. You should be asking yourself who's benefiting. The west does not benefit from anything related to those states, all oil they produce first flows through Russia. Russia benefits by having these states as basically feudal subservient states that they can extort for profit.

(I will note that most western oil comes from the middle east with Europe also getting a decent amount from Russia.)

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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My own experience in Kazakhstan a few years ago was amazing — kind, generous people. I had the most surreal (but standard) Russian Bath experience: sitting with a bunch of naked folks as they self-flog with branches in rooms so hot you needed wool caps to keep the top of your head from singeing. When I was getting dressed a huge guy next to me said something in Russian, I was certain I had committed some bath faux pas, but then he repeated in heavily accented English: "Those boots, suitable in winter?"

Almaty was surprisingly cosmopolitan, walkable, felt eminently livable.

Took the train to Baikonur. Walked on the launch pad, visited the old control rooms. [0]

The whole way: Kindness and gentleness were the two words that kept bouncing around my head. In the middle of nowhere folks were driving sensibly (as opposed to, say, in Morocco where I felt like every car ride was a dice roll). I saw two cars have an accident in Almaty — the drivers calmly stepped out, shook hands, and discussed the situation.

Nur-Sultan was, however, miserable — built for cars, human antagonistic, artificial layout, depressing architecture.

I'd love to get back to Almaty.

Hoping for swift and peaceful resolution on all this.

[0]: https://craigmod.com/ridgeline/036/

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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ISIS (and Al-Qaeda) are predictable, convenient excuses for keeping dictatorships in the Muslim world. Before ISIS took over Raqqah and other territory in Syria and Iraq, it was the FSA (Free Syrian Army), not Assad, who kicked ISIS out of Aleppo and the Damascus countryside. When Putin intervened in 2015, the overwhelming majority of airstrikes targeted the FSA and civilian areas outside the control of both Assad an…

Here's a hint: Stop causing color revolutions in other coutries, that in turn create a power vacuum, which leads to chaos and anarchy.

Seriously, that is not hard. What makes you think FSA are "moderate" headchopers and how are they any better than Assad? Just because they have "Free" in the name? Such naive thinking.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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The wealthiest European countries have problems with rising energy prices (remember the French yellow vests?) so I'm interested to see how Kazakhstan thinks they can placate their citizens.

My own government is giving me €400 this winter which is nice.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism anyone? You should've received your updated propaganda field guide by now, currently it is no longer advised to so blatantly point somewhere else.

Sorry, but it sounds like a cheap attempt to accuse the other party of propaganda and use the "whataboutism" card. I don't see anything whataboutism'y where one accuses a foreign state interfering in another state. (and I personally find Kazahstan's idea that rioters received foreign military training funny, since it's the cheapest excuse ex-USSR governments use when people are tired of the same people ruling the cou…

> accuse the other party of propaganda

Click the first link, it writes that Americans attempted a regime change in Belarus, and instigated a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

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