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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by brnt »

sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by progre »

throwaway4good wrote: post #6
sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

So what drives this conflict? As I understand the ousted government was nationalist yet it asked Russia for help?

Likely losing power means loss of fortunes, privilages and for some people even life, so they will do anything to stay in power.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by NoPie »

ilaksh wrote: post #10
sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?

The raise of fuel prices was an immediate cause but it probably was long burning dissatisfaction with the economic hardships of the masses vs. prosperous kleptocratic elite.

On the other hand it seems that the economy of Kazakhstan was one of the best among other stans. It is possible that prolonged covid restrictions also played the role.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by boppo1 »

brnt wrote: post #11
sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

>foreign interests

I think he meant the US

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by sAbakumoff »

ilaksh wrote: post #10
sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?

Based on what independent media report, my understanding is the same. Protests began after 2x gas prices surge. Local law enforcement was not able and/or was not willing to quell protesters. The president of Kazakstan claimed that protests are "terrorist attacks that sponsored and organized by foreign actors" and asked Putin and co. for military help.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by throwaway4good »

boppo1 wrote: post #14
brnt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

>foreign interests I think he meant the US

Well, given the US-Russia conflict over Ukraine, this conflict is awfully well-timed for the US.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

brnt wrote: post #11
sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

Foreign army in this context is just using a treaty you signed with an ally to request assistance.

It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by brnt »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #18
brnt wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

Foreign army in this context is just using a treaty you signed with an ally to request assistance. It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another.

It'd be very strange if the French government asks Germany or Nato to quell the gilet-jaunes demo, wouldn't it?
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