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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by tibyat »

panick21_ wrote: post #153
walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

The value of those rankings is very low, the methodology is flawed. And doesn't accurately reflect the relative inconvenience of flaws. Tesla for EV have had pretty amazing success in terms of battery and drive train reliability. If you are going to consider a Corolla, you were not the target audience in the first place and even if Tesla was literally the best company in terms of reliability it wouldn't make you a po…

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by jefftk »

redtexture wrote: post #119
userbinator wrote: post #102

For affected Model 3 owners, Tesla has pledged to install a new cable harness and guide protector free of charge. Wiring harness flexing and chafing is a decades-old well-known problem with well-known solutions. I wonder what the people who designed that area are thinking now, when they were presumably trying to save costs? If Teslas' issues were specific to being EVs or otherwise new functionality specific to its ca…

Attempts to save money in manufacturing undermine solved or perfected approaches.

But you only hear about it when it fails. When it's successful it just looks like products gradually getting cheaper.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by couchand »

donarb wrote: post #71
walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

Instead of Consumer Reports, how about JD Power? Every car company that brags about ratings quotes their JD Power rating first and foremost. Tesla is 30 out of 33 on JD Power.

Yes, the third party we should use to evaluate is definitely the one the manufacturer wants you to pay attention to.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ViViDboarder »

pedalpete wrote: post #148
nope96 wrote: post #142

Didn't Musk sell a billion dollars worth of stock a few days before this recall was announced?

1) He announced the sales would happen months ago. 2) He had (I believe) stated the sales were to cover tax costs in California 3) He is still net increased his number of shares over the last year due to his compensation package.

Does his increase in number of shares actually mean anything? I assume that, like most stock compensation, these shares are newly issued shares, diluting the value of existing shares. That would mean he still has a lower stake, regardless of number of shares, no?

I may be misunderstanding something.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by walrus01 »

mym1990 wrote: post #129
matsemann wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

Using someone car ownership as a gauge of possible wealth can be incredibly misleading. Plenty of people go into dealerships and walk out with a wonderful car and debilitating monthly payments.

this is factually correct and while we're getting off topic it brings up the problem of overloaded consumer debt in the USA in general.

I also saw a statistic that something like 45% of Americans couldn't immediately come up with $1000 for an emergency the same day. Just in case we need a benchmark measure of relative wealth and prosperity between the typical six figure FAANG employee and people working jobs that pay a great deal less.

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Post by vardump »

Dah00n wrote: post #176
panick21_ wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla finances and number of EV produced have already proven everything that needed to be proven. Unless you want to argue this recall is gone have some massive impact on their finances its pretty much non issue. And arguing that would of course be nonsense.

>Tesla finances and number of EV produced have already proven everything that needed to be proven. It reads like you mean this in a positive way. I see it as the exact opposite. Tesla have made very few cars unless you compare it to brands like Lamborghini or other speciality cars. VW EVs already outsell Tesla even though they are just ramping up. Tesla's finances is also almost completely based on non-car sales. If…

> VW EVs already outsell Tesla even though they are just ramping up.

False. Tesla significantly outsells VW EVs. 2021 Q1-Q3, VW brand had sold 167800 EVs. Whole VW group 293100, including Skoda, etc. Tesla sold 627000 cars in the same time period.

> Tesla's finances is also almost completely based on non-car sales.

False. [0] Tesla had $2B GAAP operating income and 14.6% operating margin in Q3 2021. $1.6B of GAAP net income and $2.1B non-GAAP net income. Automotive gross margin was at 30.5% GAAP (28.8% without credits). Regulatory credits (which you were presumably referring to) were only $279M.

> If Tesla only had income from car sales it would go bankrupt in a few months.

False, it'd hardly make any difference.

0: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/20/tesla-tsla-earnings-q3-2021....

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by dboreham »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #18
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts? The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable though.

I had a hood come open on a car I was driving once. It was definitely some scary shit. Luckily, I was on a long, straight road, and was able to decelerate in a controlled way and pull off the side of the road.

British vehicle?

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Post by andrepew »

woodruffw wrote: post #139
whiskyant wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model 3 and y is on that top 10 list as well, and they're not quite luxury goods.

I know very little about cars, but a cursory search shows that both the Model 3 and Model Y are about ~60% more expensive than the top-selling sedans and SUVs in the US. They're also both in the same rough ballpark as popular "luxury" car labels (Lincoln, BMW), so I think "luxury" is a fair descriptor.

I don’t think comparing a Tesla’s price to an ICE competitor is an apples to apples comparison.

Sure on the surface a Model 3 price tag looks luxury, but look at full cost of ownership and things start looking downright reasonable. No mandatory scheduled maintenance, no gas costs — charging the thing at home is laughably cheap, brake pads last in to the 100-200k kilometre range thanks to regenerative braking. Don’t forget all the subsidies too against the purchase price.

If you drive a lot, the numbers start getting awfully close to non-luxury vehicles.

And all of this is before you consider the non-monetary drivers of value such as how fun it is to drive, tech gadgets, etc.

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Post by kalleboo »

deviantbit wrote: post #48

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This is going to be a problem with electric cars of all makes due to the volatility (and the ferocity of the fire) of high-capacity batteries. We're going to have to re-think how we design garages.

"GM Tells Bolt Owners to Park 50 Feet Away From Other Cars" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-15/gm-tells-...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by rconti »

GuB-42 wrote: post #180
rconti wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just SUVs. The visibility out of the rear of my Model 3 is almost as bad as the rear of my BMW X5 SUV. The trunk is so high, you cannot see the headlights of a following passenger car until it's some distance behind. It's not just Tesla, visibility across all cars is getting worse over time, as manufacturers are pushed by crash test standards to improve performance in a crash against another vehicle or stationary…

In Europe (Euro NCAP), crash test standards include tests against pedestrians and electronic assistance like ESP and emergency breaking, including against pedestrians. Standards are regularly updated to take new technologies, other road users, and potential loopholes into account. Maybe it is different in the US, but most cars sold in the US are sold in Europe too. Weight and visibility are still a problem, and elect…

You're right, it's an exaggeration to say they don't consider pedestrians at all. Europe is leading the way there, but it's definitely becoming a consideration in the US as well.
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