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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by jonathankoren »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #37
HWR_14 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?

Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious ), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a m…

That’s funny. I’d buy a Taycan but never a Model S.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by walrus01 »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #35
ericmay wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the id…

> Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again

I literally pre-ordered Anthem, and then apparently having not learned my lesson, did the same with Cyberpunk 2077. Enough said...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by lillecarl »

slg wrote: post #31
lillecarl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to the story. Ford, Toyota and Honda makes significantly more cars and models than Tesla.

I am not trying to start a fight about the quality of Tesla's vehicles compared to other manufacturers. Maybe you are right and Teslas are recalled at a higher frequency. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion either way. I am simply pointing out that a solitary voluntary recall, which is what this article is about, is barely newsworthy and is only being posted/upvoted because it is Tesla.

And it is upvoted through the roof because it is Tesla. The one car manufacturer valued as high as "all other" (very many) car manufacturers together. Tesla is different, why treat them like everyone else?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by oogali »

ericmay wrote: post #12
walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

There's nothing to put a finger on and no meme rebuttal needed, because both statements can be true.

Tesla can score poorly in 3rd party consumer testing and that might be a valuable data point to those who care or value their testing.

And a number of people who really want a Tesla can also be people who have never heard of Consumer Reports nor value its testing.

At current domestic capacity levels, you [only] need 500K people from category #2 ahead of your order to produce the observed lead times.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by kube-system »

LanceJones wrote: post #26
kube-system wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This pattern is more of the norm than not for expensive high-tech cars. Rich people like nice stuff and are willing to pay maintenance and repair bills.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

They are "not rich" in only the most privileged of perspectives. Even if we limit that perspective to the US, which is a pretty wealthy country by most measures: the average vehicle on the road in the US was built before Tesla even opened their first assembly plant. The used car market in the US is 2.8x the size of the new car market. Median income buyers struggle to afford new cars of any fuel type or brand.

But, call 'em whatever you want. My point was, the demographic who buy new cars which compete in a luxury-priced segment are a demographic who are motivated by the technology of the product rather than value/price/maintenance.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by standardUser »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

One key difference is that for Tesla, 500k cars is a huge amount of the total cars it's sold in the last 5 years. More than a third. Has any automaker ever had a recall on such a huge proportion of their cars?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by [deleted] »

jonathankoren wrote: post #41
toomuchtodo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious ), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a m…

That’s funny. I’d buy a Taycan but never a Model S.

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by slg »

noah_buddy wrote: post #30
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

I disagree that those headlines are even nearly so newsworthy! This Tesla recall is only 20k less than all that they sold in 2020. Ford recalling 200k cars is only 5% of what they sold in that same year. This is a relatively large proportion of all Tesla's on the road.

You can check this link[1] which I posted in another reply. There is a story there about Honda recalling 1.4m vehicles. That is right around a full year of sales in the US and exceeds annual sales for the last couple years[2]. That story got one upvote and zero comments when it was posted here last year.

Once again, I am not trying to excuse Tesla for quality issues or say they make as good or a better quality car than any other manufacturer. I am simply pointing out that the name Tesla drives attention and clicks compared to their competitors and that is why you are seeing this story.

[1] - https://hn.algolia.com/?q=recall+honda

[2] - https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/honda-us-sales-figures/

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bestcoder69 »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

I don't get who you're calling out here. The upvoters? The press? Other car companies for not being as good at generating hype? Who messed up (other than Tesla)?

If you're just raising awareness that HN finds Tesla articles interesting... that's fine I guess.

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