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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by slg »

lillecarl wrote: post #25
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

There's more to the story. Ford, Toyota and Honda makes significantly more cars and models than Tesla.

I am not trying to start a fight about the quality of Tesla's vehicles compared to other manufacturers. Maybe you are right and Teslas are recalled at a higher frequency. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion either way.

I am simply pointing out that a solitary voluntary recall, which is what this article is about, is barely newsworthy and is only being posted/upvoted because it is Tesla.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by HWR_14 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
ericmay wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

Have bought several Teslas over the last 3 years (S->X->Y). Quality improves each time I’ve bought one. Lots to complain about, still wouldn’t buy from another manufacturer.

If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ralph84 »

coryrc wrote: post #17
m-ee wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rear view cameras are a required safety feature in the US now. As SUVs proliferated and pillars got thicker for crash safety cases of parents running over their toddlers increased.

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Those spaces exist but in general people with kids don't want to live there.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by chrisseaton »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts? The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable though.

Mandatory safety feature not working not a safety issue? How do you work that one out?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

ericmay wrote: post #12
walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand.

High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the idea of it, not that the product actually delivers on its stated promises.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ghaff »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
ericmay wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

Have bought several Teslas over the last 3 years (S->X->Y). Quality improves each time I’ve bought one. Lots to complain about, still wouldn’t buy from another manufacturer.

And some of us buy cars and keep them for over 10 years. Which isn't rare behavior.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by toomuchtodo »

HWR_14 wrote: post #32
toomuchtodo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have bought several Teslas over the last 3 years (S->X->Y). Quality improves each time I’ve bought one. Lots to complain about, still wouldn’t buy from another manufacturer.

If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?

Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc.

My Model S frunk recall appointment with a mobile tech coming to the home to perform took less than three minutes in app to schedule.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bfung »

antattack wrote: post #27
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts? The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable though.

Tesla's have limited rear-view visibility due to aerodynamic shape. Not a big problem, but once you get used to backing out while looking at HD screen, lack of it is quite a hindrance.

Yep - that’s the first thing I noticed/get used to w/my Tesla Y: rear view mirror looking out back windshield is basically useless and camera is basically necessary while backing up.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by atwebb »

noah_buddy wrote: post #30
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

I disagree that those headlines are even nearly so newsworthy! This Tesla recall is only 20k less than all that they sold in 2020. Ford recalling 200k cars is only 5% of what they sold in that same year. This is a relatively large proportion of all Tesla's on the road.

That was my thinking, a major supplier / manufacturer recalling a year of (and 1/4 of all ever made) products is at least interesting. To OP's point though, it likely reached the front page so fast b/c it has Tesla in the name.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ghaff »

kube-system wrote: post #9
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts? The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable though.

The rearview camera is a big issue because it is a requirement under Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.

Yes. It's a safety issue. But there are also at least tens of millions of cars on the road without backup cameras.
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