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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by donarb »

walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

Instead of Consumer Reports, how about JD Power? Every car company that brags about ratings quotes their JD Power rating first and foremost. Tesla is 30 out of 33 on JD Power.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by twblalock »

bfung wrote: post #38
antattack wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla's have limited rear-view visibility due to aerodynamic shape. Not a big problem, but once you get used to backing out while looking at HD screen, lack of it is quite a hindrance.

Yep - that’s the first thing I noticed/get used to w/my Tesla Y: rear view mirror looking out back windshield is basically useless and camera is basically necessary while backing up.

The Model Y would be pretty much undrivable without a camera. The Model 3 is also pretty bad about rear visibility, but the lack of visibility out the back of the Model Y is shocking.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ghaff »

kube-system wrote: post #70
ghaff wrote: post #40

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Yes. It's a safety issue. But there are also at least tens of millions of cars on the road without backup cameras.

I'm not (directly) saying it's a safety issue, I'm saying it's a compliance issue. It is clear that it needs fixed because it's clear that this function is required by law.

Of course it needs to be fixed.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by onphonenow »

The rear camera MAY fail issue seems pretty benign.

When it fails go get it fixed?

Or is that no longer a permitted approach.

These recalls used to be for things major. Now we are getting a recall over what would be a warranty claim? Can they not just extend warranty coverage in this year to something like 10 years?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

ericmay wrote: post #12
walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

I haven't had a single problem with my Tesla (2021 Model 3) so this seems odd and was surprising to me. I know that is a sample size of one but I would expect some issue.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by slg »

tyrfing wrote: post #58
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

This is unnecessarily defensive. A quick search shows that other large recalls have been heavily upvoted on HN: Volkswagen, Hyundai, Fiat, Peloton, Amazon, and many others. Just a reminder that news about the 6th-largest company in the world, owned by the richest man in the world, isn't a personal attack on you.

Not all recalls have the same level of newsworthiness.

Both the Volkswagen and Hyundai recalls were related to internal corruption and potential criminal activity making them more noteworthy. That is a failure in the regulatory system while Tesla's recall is the system working as intended.

The Fiat recall was related to hacking so it will naturally get more interest on HN.

I don't have data on this, but voluntary recalls seem to be much more common for cars than other retail products.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ghaff »

alamortsubite wrote: post #66
ghaff wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's a safety issue. But there are also at least tens of millions of cars on the road without backup cameras.

Lack of rear visibility without a camera is a much more of an issue on newer cars; older cars, which make up the bulk of those "tens of millions", don't have such a serious problem.

That's fair. Even when I shopped for a car over a decade ago, it felt like some of the electronic safety systems were making up for lack of the sort of sightlines you had historically. One of the reasons I ended up going with a pretty old-school SUV design even though I didn't have much of an interest in most of the off-road features. Would probably buy the same vehicle today even though it hasn't been updated a lot.

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Post by Karupan »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

I don't own a Tesla, nor do I know anyone who owns one. But the amount of noise I see on social media and the news makes it obvious that they have higher visibility across the board, and hence more scrutiny. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by nixass »

jonathankoren wrote: post #41
toomuchtodo wrote: post #37

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Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious ), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a m…

That’s funny. I’d buy a Taycan but never a Model S.

Taycan and Tesla don't even fit to same sentence. Tesla is literally Lada in terms of build qualify comparing to any major car manufacturer.
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