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Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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your kids mental health might also be impacted by seeing a horror movie… that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years

Are you comparing seeing a horror movie to people’s close relatives dying… ?

appeal to incredulity. bravo!

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Depending upon the specific agency, agencies in the USA value a statistical life at anywhere from $7-$10 million.

As a Canadian, I usually use the US DoT numbers (in the same ballpark as what you said) for my mental maths. A couple extra things to consider: - what’s the date on these figures? - can we extrapolate this to other countries? - are these figures generally accepted, or are they controversial? - how do you account for age, sex (differences in life expectancy, child bearing capacity, etc), education level or professiona…

Ironically enough, I think the data set comes from lawsuits that determine all of those conditions. A surgeon for example with all of their future surgeon income ruined by a bad car accident + medical care can be around $30 million, while someone who is relatively old with no chances of future income + medical care would typically get less AFAIK. It probably averages out to that $7-10 million figure.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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your kids mental health might also be impacted by seeing a horror movie… that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years

> that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years Good thing my kids haven't been subjected to that, despite being in a blue area of a blue state (New York). Being angry about imaginary restrictions is silly. There's nowhere in the world kids have been "locked inside" for two years.

The effects of the pandemic on children has definitely been variable. Higher income kids going to private schools are back in school by 6 months, while lower income kid's public schools cannot even get zoom classes organized or access to such classes (laptops, etc) for over a year in some places. Average that out and the overall net effect has probably not been great.

Demand for mental health care during the pandemic has boomed, and the isolation of lockdown and all the other stresses are directly correlated to that.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

Without a reputable source for these claims you're just spreading misinformation.

I'm pretty baffled by this reply. It used to be (last year?) common knowledge that children were largely unaffected by covid. I guess the vaccine rollout has changed people's minds, but it hasn't changed the data.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

This is unequivocally incorrect.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

Among all infectious diseases children are facing Covid is one of the most severe. The worst side effect of the vaccine (myocarditis in young males) has been eliminated with better dosing protocols.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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You’re going to have to lay down the logic behind this one for me. I am not getting it.

The gist OP is getting at, though not put so eloquently, is that covid is endemic and there will continue to be deaths, even in a world with 100% vaccinated and boosted people. So covid being "over" is really a state of mind/choice of when to accept that it's endemic and drop the hysterics/restrictions. Omicron should be cheered as an effectively natural vaccine that looks to quickly end the worst of covid, yet media…

That was elegant and much more insightful.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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post #142

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'The evidence 1889-1890 outbreak was caused by a coronavirus has been referred to as "weak" and "conjectural" in an analysis of the literature' Seems this theory has only gained traction in the last 2 years. Looking into it further, case fatality rate of during the 1889-90 outbreak seemed to be 0.1-0.28, much lower than Covid-19 has been.

Our data on the 1889-90 pandemic is pretty thin. We don't have any reliable records on deaths in poorer countries so the error bars are quite wide. A lower infection fatality rate in that previous pandemic is not at all surprising. Back in 1889 elderly people made up a much lower fraction of the population. And there was a lower rate of co-morbid conditions such as obesity, diabetes, and hypertension.

Sure, there have been a lot of Flu pandemics with lower case fatality rates as well. Prior to this pandemic, they had actually narrowed down the flu subtype:

"the reanalysis of seroarcheological data suggested Influenza A subtype H3 (possibly the H3N8 subtype) as a more likely cause for the 1889–1890 pandemic"

There was no thoughts that it was Coronavirus related before this pandemic.

edit: Interestingly though, the 1889-90 pandemic was thought to have originated in Bukhara, part of the Russian empire at the time, which has been historically a cattle raising area. H3N8 is Equine influenza virus, where as HCoV-OC43 was a Bovine coronavirus.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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I think the real problem is that in most countries the healthcare system was "optimized" to such extent that even seasonal flu was almost clogging it every year. And now SURPRISE, any disease, even a tad bit more deadly and contagious than the seasonal flu would make it collapse. TOTALLY UNEXPECTED.

As always, the standard gimmick of neoliberalism is to pin the blame for the collateral damage of its policies on the relatively powerless people who refuse its self-serving "solutions."

Which non-“neoliberal” (whatever that means) country had plenty excess hospital capacity to handle peak Covid case counts?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... Its just that, using Swedish data again, Western societies are significantly more aged: eg. there 120,000 80-84 year old men (prime COVID death territory) in 2020, vs only 101,000 in 2009. Its similar in many other Wes…

I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.

I agree. However, the currently existing vaccines don’t seem to do anything at all to stop the spread, so your biannual vaccination does not help grandma much.
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