Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

Post by maxerickson » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 7:51 PM UTC

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Another coronavirus probably caused a worldwide pandemic starting in 1889. It killed a lot of people, but the survivors gained natural immunity which gave them significant protection against symptomatic reinfections. The same virus HCoV-OC43 is still endemic today. This seems relevant to the current pandemic. https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/175... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC…

I understand this is a reoccurring theme throughout history that lead to most of the endemic coronaviruses today. Omicron is truly fantastic; for example look at Ontario’s case count vs ICU count. Omicron has completely decoupled those graphs.

Post by tonguez » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

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But hey, grandma gets to live another year now. Who cares if the poor family never recovers after financial crisis.

Now inverse that statement and see where it takes you, and what it tells about you as a human being.

Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 7:57 PM UTC

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The question ever since it became clear that this coronavirus was endemic has been what a "manageable end game" is: that is, what level of risk and mortality are we prepared to accept, given that deaths from Covid will never be zero. This is, in my opinion, the primary underlying disagreement. Some people think that no amount of deaths from Covid is acceptable. Some people believe that even the peak pandemic mortalit…

The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

Post by tonguez » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:00 PM UTC

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Yes. We should do that. We won't. Pro: everyone is fine, the hospitals aren't overwhelmed, the anti-vaxxers will be fine along with everyone else. Con: can't speak with disgust and disdain anymore to those who disagree with your medical opinions, or have concerns with how quickly you're forcing your experimental medications on the entire planet. Not going to happen. I've already seen the usual suspects talking about…

> everyone is fine Except the people who aren't. > the hospitals aren't overwhelmed Except the ones that are. > forcing your experimental medications on the entire planet No more experimental than any other vaccine; due to how quickly COVID spread, we were able to do the same level of testing on the vaccine as for any other medication. It's as safe as anything else you take.

Post by bcrosby95 » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:03 PM UTC

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The question ever since it became clear that this coronavirus was endemic has been what a "manageable end game" is: that is, what level of risk and mortality are we prepared to accept, given that deaths from Covid will never be zero. This is, in my opinion, the primary underlying disagreement. Some people think that no amount of deaths from Covid is acceptable. Some people believe that even the peak pandemic mortalit…

And from my point of view as someone in the field, arguments on either side are almost always based on an intuitive gut feeling about morality. Very few people actually try to wrangle with putting numbers on the cost (in dollars) of a human life, or the economic burden of disease. There are no right or wrong numbers, but only if you begin there can you say you're rationally considering the economic or political trade…