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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by spicybright »

oogali wrote: post #350
spicybright wrote: post #305

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Not to mention, do you really trust 20 strangers to treat your possessions as well as you do? Have these people never been in the back of a taxi, or any kind of public transit?

I've pretty much abandoned Zipcar for this reason. In the early days, it was great. But once membership increased, there was an increasing chance that I would get a car that was not particularly usable. Filthy on the outside (dirt, mud, etc) and/or inside (dog hair, bodily fluids, etc). Or a car that had one or more warning lights illuminated (check engine, brake, no wiper fluid, low gas, etc). And each time I had to…

It'd be a pain in the ass for zipcar, but every parking space should have an attendant to do a quick once over every time someone parks a car.

Less hassle with verifying who actually trashed it, but also if you have to stare someone in the face after your ride, you'll probably be more respectful of the car.

But really, there's just not a satisfactory solution I can think of to make me want to use the service.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by [deleted] »

chaostheory wrote: post #364
gonzoflip wrote: post #293

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So what? People can choose to have connected vehicles if they want. I choose to avoid them and the newest gm vehicle I have owned was a 1997 Saturn. My personal choices and decisions are a product of my values and beliefs, and I intend on avoiding the potential for remote intervention as long as possible.

My point is that none of this new or novel. Avoiding it is also near impossible unless you make restrictive life choices.

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Post by TMWNN »

ljm wrote: post #232
asdff wrote: post #223

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To be fair it wasn't some conspiracy. The reason why people began using the car 100 years ago was that the car was becoming widely available and it was super convenient even in the days when roads were caked in horse manure. Even in the peak of the streetcar era, the private car was the best way around town, and as more people bought more cars, it continued to dominate as the streetcar would be bogged down in traffic…

There was _a_ conspiracy, or at least Wikipedia refers to it as such: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp... . That is to say, there's enough there to suggest that this wasn't the free market answering solely to consumer demand.

The article explains why there actually was no conspiracy.[1]

[1] No, kids, Who Framed Roger Rabbit? isn't real history

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by TMWNN »

ljm wrote: post #333
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #249

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Regardless of whether or not there was a conspiracy, I think the last 100 years of private vehicle ownership in the US have shown that solely due to the convenience, it would have happened anyway.

I don't think that follows, because you have to prove that car ownership would have increased the same way without any intervention by car manufacturers. You're treating it as a foregone conclusion. If you follow the same 100 year trajectory in other countries, then you will see an uptick in car ownership for sure, and infrastructure adapts to support this (highways/freeways/motorways), but it's not nearly as drastic…

>If you follow the same 100 year trajectory in other countries, then you will see an uptick in car ownership for sure, and infrastructure adapts to support this (highways/freeways/motorways), but it's not nearly as drastic as it is stateside.

As the Wikipedia article you cited elsewhere discusses, streetcar systems outside the US went out of business at the same time as those in the US for the same reasons.

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Post by romwell »

fallingknife wrote: post #269
romwell wrote: post #177

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Imagine, now, that self-driving combined with Uber pool, so that people who need to get from and to the same destinations at the same time (as is typical for commutes) would be able to share the ride. Imagine then making those vehicles larger to enable not only a decrease in traffic, but an increase in housing density, local infrastructure in walking distance, and economic growth. Imagine if we then realized we could…

The fact that Uber is so popular even though it is more than 10x the price of a bus shows exactly how much people want to ride buses.

Are you kidding me? What buses?

There's no public transport in the US, aside from a few exceptional places like NYC, Seattle, Boston (maybe), and, like, DC.

Uber is so popular because it actually allows you to get from A to B, for some money.

But I love the circular logic of "nobody wants the buses, why fund them" — "you can't get anywhere on a bus, why fund them" — "look how few people ride the bus" etc.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by wolrah »

maxdo wrote: post #331
wolrah wrote: post #218

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> where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America Twistiest, maybe. Most dangerous, not even close unless you or someone driving towards you do something dumb. Historically Autopilot's weak spots have been crappy/ambiguous road markings, low speed corners on high speed roads, and large vehicles stopped on/across the road. This video hit none of those points. The lane markings are clear, the posted…

your historical observations are irrelevant for FSD beta. It's a new system, it works amazing without markings on the road at all.

> your historical observations are irrelevant for FSD beta. It's a new system

1. I find it very unlikely that Tesla completely scrapped the previous system to start from scratch for the FSD beta. 2. If they had, that would make me even more suspicious of the new system because that would mean no one would understand its weaknesses yet.

Either way, being most interested in where the previous generation system and other semiautonomous systems have historically failed makes sense.

> it works amazing without markings on the road at all.

I have yet to see any videos of the new system handling poorly marked high speed roads one way or another, but the crash where it tried to veer in to oncoming traffic doesn't provide confidence. All the unmarked/poorly marked roads I've seen so far have been low speed residential/urban, and even there performance has been unpredictable at best. Let's see it on a highway where night time rain has made the markings hard to see. Let's see it when snow covers the road and your only hing or lane

The state of the art is such that it can simultaneously be amazing and terrifying to think that normal people are allowed to "test" it wherever they feel like trying on public roads. What it does with the limited inputs it has is incredible, but at the same time it has dangerous failure modes that do not seem to be predictable even to those who use the system regularly.

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Don't get me wrong, there is nothing I'd love more than never having to manually handle a traffic jam, or "go home car, I'm drunk", but the way this is being released will kill people.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by exadeci »

izacus wrote: post #169

So at what point will Teslas also start snitching on their own owners and other drivers for driving too fast, being in the wrong place at the time a crime happened and reporting copyrighted music played in the wrong country? Is there already a design doc for that somewhere in Teslas ticketing system?

The car was technically Tesla's property they contracted the repo agent because the owner stopped paying the finance so as long as you haven't finished paying your car to Tesla it makes sense for it to still be their property.

The issue would be if they start doing this for illegal parking or similar stuff.

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Post by gonzoflip »

chaostheory wrote: post #364
gonzoflip wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? People can choose to have connected vehicles if they want. I choose to avoid them and the newest gm vehicle I have owned was a 1997 Saturn. My personal choices and decisions are a product of my values and beliefs, and I intend on avoiding the potential for remote intervention as long as possible.

My point is that none of this new or novel. Avoiding it is also near impossible unless you make restrictive life choices.

Impossible is a massive exaggeration, I have not had an issue with it without even trying. Heck I am shopping brand new 911s right now, and they are not connected unless they have a SIM card inserted.

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Post by jchw »

tssva wrote: post #370
jchw wrote: post #138

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I don’t usually vote up comments that are mostly humorous on HN, but there’s always an exception. To me the problem isn’t that they might, but that they can. I guess the fault is technically on the person who rented something under terrible terms, but the problem to me is that over time terrible terms seem to win out over reasonable ones. Not to mention, if Tesla is capable of doing this for rentals, I have to assume…

If you don't pay us as agreed, we will take it back are terrible terms?

You omitted the parts that are actually problematic.

I don’t give my mortgage company a copy of the keys to my house.

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Post by chaostheory »

gonzoflip wrote: post #378
chaostheory wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is that none of this new or novel. Avoiding it is also near impossible unless you make restrictive life choices.

Impossible is a massive exaggeration, I have not had an issue with it without even trying. Heck I am shopping brand new 911s right now, and they are not connected unless they have a SIM card inserted.

Do you use a smartphone?
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