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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

fallingknife wrote: post #268
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #238

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That is only going to happen for most people if the economics of car rentals are VEEEEEERRY reasonable. I am not willing to wait 10 minutes for an available vehicle every time I need to go somewhere. People who are dreaming of a day of full automation need to take this into account, because while I don't know how long the average trip by car is, I suspect that it's somewhere in the 15-20 minute range, which is imposs…

Uber now is rarely 10 minutes or more. Usually <5 if you're in a major city.

I live in a suburb of Dallas and Uber is always 30 minutes plus.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by HomeDeLaPot »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #309
d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #263

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The worst part about this for me is that the Costco parking lot is already a cluster without having to add in the "show off my car to my brother in law" game to the mix. I avoid Costco like the plague because the experience is always bad for my mental health. I'd rather pay a few extra bucks to avoid oblivious giant cart drivers, having to show multiple forms of ID , having my receipt validated before I can leave, ha…

I wouldn't disagree with your experience complaint, but Costco exists precisely because it doesn't care about the "shopping experience". If you go to Costco, you forgo the right to complain about the "shopping experience" because you are explicitly choosing something with a bad one in exchange for very cheap goods. Walmart and Target: slightly better experience, slightly more expensive. Supermarkets and Malls: better…

My Walmart is awful compared to the Costco. Messy shelves and aisles, carts that clank and clatter. Costco is neater, the employees are friendlier and more helpful... like the two stores have two different cultures. And I appreciate that Costco usually has just one good option—it simplifies things, and it's great when they happen to stock something I've been thinking about buying. I just bought a folding wagon that's bigger and beefier than the Amazon ones for the same price. My experience has been that Costco provides a better shopping experience than Walmart, in the same league as Target, Whole Foods, and Trader Joe's.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by Swenrekcah »

Retric wrote: post #359
Swenrekcah wrote: post #346

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The financial consequences are nothing for the company, even less for those responsible. For accountability there need to be personal consequences for cases of extreme and wilful negligence for cases like Boeings. I’m not advocating for life in prison for the top brass, but some prison time surely. Unless we just start issuing fines and warnings to the regular people to deal with manslaughter of criminal negligence.

Prison for the top brass 1:1 with negligent death essentially removes the possibility of any large company existing even down to hospitals simply can’t exist in such an environment. The paradox here is that aviation for example is filled with cases of negligence causing large numbers of fatalities, while at the same time the industry has become extremely safe. It’s not that negligence has become more common it’s simp…

I understand your point, and note I didn’t say 1:1 time.

I don’t think you understand though how bad Boeings case was and that we will never be rid of that kind of risk taking when the trade off for the risk takers is piles of money if it goes right but essentially a slap on the wrist if it goes wrong.

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Post by chaostheory »

gonzoflip wrote: post #293
chaostheory wrote: post #271

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GM cars have phoned home for well over a decade now. Self driving features tend to also be extra optional features that cost more.

So what? People can choose to have connected vehicles if they want. I choose to avoid them and the newest gm vehicle I have owned was a 1997 Saturn. My personal choices and decisions are a product of my values and beliefs, and I intend on avoiding the potential for remote intervention as long as possible.

My point is that none of this new or novel. Avoiding it is also near impossible unless you make restrictive life choices.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by hollosi »

Probably fake news.

Tesla cars are not licensed for operation without a control of a driver. It's unlikely Tesla (the company) would take the financial responsibility to cause any damage or injury during an unlicensed operation without a driver.

Straight from the Model S manual:

"Model S may not detect certain obstacles, including those that are very narrow (e.g., bikes), lower than the fascia, or hanging from the ceiling. As such, Summon requires that you continually monitor your vehicle's movement and surroundings while it is in progress, and that you remain prepared to stop the vehicle at any time using the Tesla mobile app, by pressing any button on the key fob, or by pressing any Model S door handle."

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/Model_S_release_no...

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by LightG »

belltaco wrote: post #92
LightG wrote: post #24

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This is my problem with it. Not that payments shouldn't be kept up to date. But that it moves decision making on the issue to a corporate entity a million miles away and you can bet there won't be any accounting for personal situations, or admin errors, or anything else. Your car will just be gone. Sorry, f@ck tesla on this.

Are you saying it's better to take loans from the local mafia.

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1473187956022251523

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by LightG »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #299
LightG wrote: post #228

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With respect, I've seen the suprise element happen too often for it to be considered rare (possibly different country, different legalities, but still, it's a global company. Mail goes to the wrong address, e-mail ends up in spam (looking at you, Google), a pin code is lost, meaning you need time to identify yourself or etc etc etc and you're basically lucky or not as to you you're dealing with as to how it gets reso…

I agree that I should not have used the word "never" in my comment. Thanks for pointing that out. Perhaps "unlikely" would be better. You are correct that sometimes stuff just happens, but after volunteering with a financial counseling program, I do think most people know when they have stopped making payments and most banks make lots of calls and send several letters before they go grab the property. There are excep…

Agree with most of that, but I'm not even thinking about those in fragile circumstances at this point (although that is clearly an issue).

I mean, I wasn't even searching for this, but this appeared in my twitter feed this morning. For your consumption:

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1473187956022251523

I just don't trust companies generally in these situations.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by Retric »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #363
Retric wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prison for the top brass 1:1 with negligent death essentially removes the possibility of any large company existing even down to hospitals simply can’t exist in such an environment. The paradox here is that aviation for example is filled with cases of negligence causing large numbers of fatalities, while at the same time the industry has become extremely safe. It’s not that negligence has become more common it’s simp…

I understand your point, and note I didn’t say 1:1 time. I don’t think you understand though how bad Boeings case was and that we will never be rid of that kind of risk taking when the trade off for the risk takers is piles of money if it goes right but essentially a slap on the wrist if it goes wrong.

That’s fair, I think most agree that some threshold for punishment is a good idea. Deciding where and when that is if it’s not 1:1 gets politically and ideologically messy.

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Post by wilde »

Lowering friction amplifies your ability to make mistakes. Yes, this is legal. But the increase in scale of these actions is probably bad. I’d hate to see what Hertz would do with this tech.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hertz-customers-allege-false-ar...

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Post by tssva »

jchw wrote: post #138
ctdonath wrote: post #134

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A first step. Won’t be long before the car goes to the repossession lot itself. Tesla is evolving country music: not only will your girl leave you, so will your truck.

I don’t usually vote up comments that are mostly humorous on HN, but there’s always an exception. To me the problem isn’t that they might, but that they can. I guess the fault is technically on the person who rented something under terrible terms, but the problem to me is that over time terrible terms seem to win out over reasonable ones. Not to mention, if Tesla is capable of doing this for rentals, I have to assume…

If you don't pay us as agreed, we will take it back are terrible terms?
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