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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by dylan604 »

gretch wrote: post #279
dylan604 wrote: post #161

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> Is this the future I want to live in? Also no. No need to fret the future my friend. The future is now. This dystopian future people keep fearing is happening now. It is the present reality.

No it’s really not. This is hyperbole. Things are literally better now than ever before. More access to food, healthcare, and literacy on average for everyone in the world. More protection of basic human rights on average for everyone in the world. If now is the dystopian future, when in the past would you like to time travel to? Before or after polio vaccine? Gay rights? Before/after Abolition of slavery (in select…

It's must be sad for people to go through life with no ability to appreciate comedy whether it is good or bad. To think everything is so draconian in that it must be exactly how you want it to be is just further proof that it's darker than you want to believe.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by the8472 »

aasasd wrote: post #190

A bunch of years ago, when Tesla and Google's car were only just starting and it was fashionable to discuss the implications of self-driving cars, one dude wrote (approximately): > People are discussing: if the car has to choose between running over a pedestrian and sacrificing the driver's life, what should it choose? Well it's obvious: the driver pays for the car, so they wouldn't buy a car that kills them in case…

Those are irrelevant tangents. You don't win the game by being best at solving the trolley problem. You win the game by making a car that is good at not crashing.

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Post by hunterb123 »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #289
spike021 wrote: post #212

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One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

My problem is that when a driver hits a small child they go to jail. Are there any consequences for Tesla when they get it wrong? A small dent in share prices that day doesn't cut it for me.

Yes, if they were ruled at fault, just like any other company.

If the operator was ruled at fault, they would receive consequences.

Are you insinuating that Tesla operates on a higher level than the law and is receiving special privileges vs other automakers, or are you saying all automakers should be more accountable? What event are you pointing to they should be more accountable for? Or is this all just a vague hypothetical?

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Post by enominezerum »

eulers_secret wrote: post #277
natch wrote: post #195

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I'm not sure what would break if it was offline. I do know you can drive the car while the computer is rebooting (when it's rebooting the screen is completely black and you have to gauge your speed by comparison to other cars the road), so in theory it seems you don't need the computer for basic driving, which would suggest maybe what you say is also possible, if there's a setting for it. I haven't checked because I…

> seeing car's location on a map when it's being driven by someone else, viewing live dash cam (sentry) footage while the car is parked remotely... I'm concerned these features in specific may be used by abusive spouses to track and control their partners (or extract revenge upon them). It's honestly pretty grim when you can't even use the "shared" (abuser likely would be the sole 'owner' on the title) vehicles to es…

At least with the tracking, thieves are now using Apple Air tags to track and plan carjackings. With a Tesla, so much focus being on the app and connectivity, it is more likely that a person would be aware of this tracking or at least the capability of it. FWIW my wife knew about the location finding, she just had never actually followed me driving around.

She found out when I used it coordinate a birthday surprise at our place, I could tell when she left her office and was about 30 minutes away.

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Post by spicybright »

angry-sw-dev wrote: post #296
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #241

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People keep saying this, but I don't get it. The majority of your possessions spend most of their time sitting idle. Even if I just look at the higher value ones: my riding lawnmower gets used for a couple of hours every few weeks, my garden tractor/snowblower even less frequently, then I've got a trailer, a truck, miscellaneous tools, etc. I could rent every single one of these, but don't because the economics don't…

The lynchpin in these arguments is that you'll somehow be able to summon a vehicle on a moments notice and all your usage will still be less expensive than personal ownership. The cost will be low because no humans are involved... Except it didn't work for ZipCar or the rental agencies that have added hourly options -- sure it's not bad, but is it really pushing people out of car ownership? No... Ride sharing similar…

Not to mention, do you really trust 20 strangers to treat your possessions as well as you do?

Have these people never been in the back of a taxi, or any kind of public transit?

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Post by donio »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #298
zionic wrote: post #287

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I agree with you, but he same is true for physical keys. A car dealership can create a working key to steal/repossess your car in much the same way. We really need to move to strong crypto.

In my mind there's a significant difference between a dealership using their knowledge of the car to assist with repossession, and a manufacturer demonstrating that you never really had control of your own car in the first place. It just feels like a betrayal. Your car is loyal to the manufacturer, not to you. It will act in a manner directly opposed to your best interests as the owner if company that sold it to you…

    Directive 4: [Classified]

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Post by mikeryan »

throwawayboise wrote: post #273
mikeryan wrote: post #254

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In most states the financing bank owns the title to the car and is the "Legal Owner" as opposed to the "Registered Owner" who is the one who is buying the car. The used market is likely different but for new cars from Dealerships, GM Financial, Toyota Financial, Ford Credit etc are Billion Dollar subsidiaries.

Is that true? In my state the financing bank has a lien recorded on on the title, but they are not the owner. Maybe that is the exception? Edit: reading some other comments ... I'm talking about the traditional financed purchase of a car, not a lease. Agree that for a leased car (which is quite common now though I've never done it), the ownership stays with the leasing entity.

No this is for financed cars.

When you live in a title-holding state, the title will be issued to the registered owner/operator of the car, regardless of lien holder. Though your lien holder will receive a separate document verifying their connection to the loan, you will be in possession of the title itself.

There are only nine title-holding states: Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, New York, Oklahoma, Wisconsin. In the other 41 states, titles are issued to the lien holder of your vehicle until the loan is fully paid off.

From: https://www.rategenius.com/resources/titles/#:~:text=There%2....

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Post by sjooo »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #289
spike021 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

My problem is that when a driver hits a small child they go to jail. Are there any consequences for Tesla when they get it wrong? A small dent in share prices that day doesn't cut it for me.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #263
spike021 wrote: post #212

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One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

The worst part about this for me is that the Costco parking lot is already a cluster without having to add in the "show off my car to my brother in law" game to the mix. I avoid Costco like the plague because the experience is always bad for my mental health. I'd rather pay a few extra bucks to avoid oblivious giant cart drivers, having to show multiple forms of ID , having my receipt validated before I can leave, ha…

I wouldn't disagree with your experience complaint, but Costco exists precisely because it doesn't care about the "shopping experience". If you go to Costco, you forgo the right to complain about the "shopping experience" because you are explicitly choosing something with a bad one in exchange for very cheap goods.

Walmart and Target: slightly better experience, slightly more expensive.

Supermarkets and Malls: better experience, more expensive

So I guess, you aren't the only person in America, but people make the choice to accept the burden for the price savings.

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Post by mdoms »

mikeryan wrote: post #213
Ajedi32 wrote: post #204

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The "main issue" is that Tesla is even able to assist the bailiffs in this manner. If a remote party can, by design, lock you out of your car and take control of it without your consent, do you even really own the vehicle in the first place? Others have argued "well, you don't own the car, the bank does", but unless Tesla is somehow unable to do this with cars not owned by a lienholder, that's kinda beside the point…

In the US a financed car is “owned” by the bank until fully paid off - which most of the time is a subsidiary of the manufacturer. A lot of Teslas are also just leased.

Did you really not read the last sentence of the comment you responded to?
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