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Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#81

> But Raz's Chartbrew is making only $137 MRR after working on it for more than 3 years. Great post, but I don't understand what naming and shaming specific low-MRR founders contributes to your core message.

Of course my intent was not to name and shame. I didn't realize that it can feel like that.

But what does it contribute to the story? I wanted to show a real life example of what a lot of solo dev founders (including myself) are doing – focusing mostly on coding. Why? Because this is what they like to do the most (I think).

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#82
post #53

I take it one step further. Having worked with large marketing departments, I have decided I don’t like marketing at all. It tends to follow psychological tactics to gain attention, often in deceptive or underhanded ways. You van see this by looking at the kind of features products like Hubspot offer: lots of creepy “tracking” of leads. Contrast with sales: sales is about directly showing people your product and gett…

There are all sorts of deceptive tactics used in Sales as well.

I think it all boils down to your personal professionalism and culture in the end: some people choose to go the easy route, some people don’t. Unfortunately, mass culture of both Sales and Marketing industries seems to heavily rely on deception today.

Could it be that the reason you contrast Marketing with Sales is because you’ve seen how marketing industry (and mass culture in modern marketing) works, but your sales experience was of a different kind?

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#83
Here's the thing. Developers are generally perfectionists and marketers are realists. As a Developer, I am naturally uncomfortable with marketing because my default view is that I don't want to lie or over-promise and I don't like fluffy claims.

Marketers and sales people can be less bothered about facts but I think much of the time, we just think that, the truth is that there can be a lot of fact-based marketing but also you just have to remember that your product will never be a perfect fit and neither are any of your competitors but you can sell anyway because you are making your customer's life better, not perfect!

Imagine you are selling something like a Toyota SUV. Is it perfect? No. Is it the best price-point? Possibly not; the best MPG? Probably not but I am selling a package, a vehicle that ticks a lot of boxes for someone and ultimately something that is better than the competitors in some ways and worse in others.

If I am uncomfortable selling the Toyota because the MPG isn't the best it could be, I am not saving the customer from disappointing MPG, I am pushing them to a competitor and taking away the benefits that they would get from a Toyota.

If your product solves a problem, assuming it isn't garbage, then it will be better than competitors in some ways and worse in others. You can market it accordingly!

Good luck.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#84

I work solely in marketing/advertising and have no clue how to code. I generally enjoy technology, which is why I'm on HN. I think marketers and developers need a stronger culture between ourselves. The tools of marketers (data mining, consumer behavior analysis, surveys, market testing, etc) aren't just a veneer to be applied at the completion of a development project. Marketing, when done correctly, informs UX. Mar…

> From what I can tell, many developers view the development process as a sacred protected space for creation.

I think this entirely depends on what kind of people you hire, and what type of environment you put them in. I've worked with developers who's sole focus was on just building whatever they were told, they focused on the technical aspects, and didn't care whether it would be deployed, or if the user would even use it.

I've also worked in teams, where everyone was a product engineer, which essentially just means that we focused on building products, and while the tech side was important, it was more important to make sure the product got build, and eventually used. We often worked side by side with our business teams, marketing and design people, and it was honestly the most fun I've ever had. Knowing that I was building something that people were actually going to use, just motivated and excited me.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#85
post #4

So was this advice or marketing material? ;) Maybe both. Nice to see that more that myself are struggling with this.

Both!

1) Marketing: it has contributed to my Twitter following today (+50 so far), other effects are probably not so visible. Maybe someone checking out my websites, etc.

2) Advice: - you have to do marketing or no one knows you exist - try to get over the fear of exposure - work on less scary things (SEO)

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#86

I work solely in marketing/advertising and have no clue how to code. I generally enjoy technology, which is why I'm on HN. I think marketers and developers need a stronger culture between ourselves. The tools of marketers (data mining, consumer behavior analysis, surveys, market testing, etc) aren't just a veneer to be applied at the completion of a development project. Marketing, when done correctly, informs UX. Mar…

> The tools of marketers (data mining, consumer behavior analysis, surveys, market testing, etc) aren't just a veneer to be applied at the completion of a development project. Marketing, when done correctly, informs UX.

Up until a couple months ago, I thought Marketing teams/organizations were a bit hand wavy. But recently, I took a digital marketing course at Georgia Tech, which changed my perspective completely: marketers (can/do/should) apply data driven techniques.

As an engineer, I now (at least try) to think about how the feature I'm building will impact the end-user; it's easy to fall into a trap where you are writing code without thinking about your end users.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#87
I feel motivated to go write up some marketing posts for my apps now. Thanks for motivating me :)

I was just thinking about how it needs to be a small simple habit. One post a day, and don't look at it and get nervous and delete it right after I post it.

Thanks!

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#90
The examples given are already more profitable than any solo software I've done.

For me, the problem is that I only do niche problems that don't have a software solution yet. That means my audience is very very small. Basically I just end up making stuff FOSS.

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