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Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by Tmpod »

khazhoux wrote: post #242
mustacheemperor wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Economically and ethically, we should prioritize this research above most else. This research and all similar research (and sentiments like yours, which I strongly agree with) remind me of the classic Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant.[0] It feels as though we are finally on the cusp of learning the shape of the armaments that will one day slay the dragon. And I wish the world could band together the way we attacked COVID…

Ugh, that was a slog to read. TLDR: a big dragon (represents aging) kills tens of thousands of people every day, until the people invest in technology to defeat it, and then vaguely wish they'd started the research sooner.

CGP Grey has a video with him reading the short over some neat drawings, which is more enjoyable I suppose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZYNADOHhVY

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Post by postsantum »

devmunchies wrote: post #189
postsantum wrote: post #35

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That's tribal thinking, "us vs them". You want to spite "them", who ostensibly don't know a thing about vaccine, but you never bothered to learn it yourself

The worse part is that anti-vax can just mean anti-mandate. Spiting in that context doesn’t make any sense since anti-vaxers still believe in effectiveness of vaccines.

I hate this rhetoric with passion. Even mentioning heartstrokes is an "antivaxer dogwhistle" now

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

pas wrote: post #136
eezurr wrote: post #135

The day we escape death will begin the descent into the longest dark age humanity will ever experience. Death is necessary to allow new ideas and change to be brought into the world. Death is necessary to prevent wealth and power accumulating into fewer hands. Death is necessary for others to enjoy the right to bear and raise children. EDIT: 2 minutes go by and this comment has already been downvoted 3+ times. At lea…

Wtf is this deathcult bullshit. Maybe in 2A Jesusland death is the only option, but in other parts of the world there are taxes and proportional representation and euthanasia. Yes, there are problems, but saying that death (and more specifically aging with all of its shitty slow painful consequences) is great (okay, you said necessary), because it somehow "solves" other problems is a logical fallacy. Plus, "actually"…

I think parent comment is going along the lines "Altered Carbon" tv series ( and novels ) thread.

For instance, if eternal life could be bought, the first one to buy it could be the richest man in the world. Parent is not happy with the idea of an inmortal ruler.

In the mean time, I would like to stay younger for longer. And older people are still afraid of death, even if they are not healthy.

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Post by renewiltord »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #197
obblekk wrote: post #194

1. Removing senescent cells extends life by 30-40% with huge quality of life improvements in the last 25% of the life (relative to control), in mice. This isn't an elimination of all aging, but quite a valuable thing regardless. Eventually, other causes of aging would kick in and still cause death, without a single senescent cell in your body (e.g. DNA methylation). 2. I believe all governments should create Warpspee…

>Economically and ethically, we should prioritize this research above most else. This research and all similar research (and sentiments like yours, which I strongly agree with) remind me of the classic Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant.[0] It feels as though we are finally on the cusp of learning the shape of the armaments that will one day slay the dragon. And I wish the world could band together the way we attacked COVID…

Surely could have been much shorter! An enjoyable parable but clearly written by a philosopher.

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

jhatemyjob wrote: post #143
eezurr wrote: post #135

The day we escape death will begin the descent into the longest dark age humanity will ever experience. Death is necessary to allow new ideas and change to be brought into the world. Death is necessary to prevent wealth and power accumulating into fewer hands. Death is necessary for others to enjoy the right to bear and raise children. EDIT: 2 minutes go by and this comment has already been downvoted 3+ times. At lea…

Death is still gonna happen, people will just kill each other

You know, Francisco Franco, the spanish dictator, died of old age. ( He suffered an infection and died ) He was smart and powerful enough to live a long life.

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Post by Jedd »

randmeerkat wrote: post #246
Synaesthesia wrote: post #238

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Maybe instead of maximising GDP we should maximise happiness and there's plenty of low hanging fruit. I mean people are still starving to death and dying of preventable diseases...

It’s an interesting idea, but how would you measure happiness? For example coal pollutes, so at first glance maybe coal plants should get a negative happiness index. Then some plants close, and heating costs go up and people get cold because they can’t afford the electric heat in their homes. Are they happier without the coal? Would they be happier with the coal and the pollution? Does this solve the problem in a way…

> It’s an interesting idea, but how would you measure happiness?

This (the measuring, at least) is mostly a solved problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

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Post by Terry_Roll »

obblekk wrote: post #194

1. Removing senescent cells extends life by 30-40% with huge quality of life improvements in the last 25% of the life (relative to control), in mice. This isn't an elimination of all aging, but quite a valuable thing regardless. Eventually, other causes of aging would kick in and still cause death, without a single senescent cell in your body (e.g. DNA methylation). 2. I believe all governments should create Warpspee…

> 2. I believe all governments should create Warpspeed for this approach. It wont be because of Govt but private business or a Uni maybe, you see if everyone lived a US lifestyle we need 4 planet earths, everyone living a UK lifestyle would required 2.5 planet earths, an EU lifestyle 2 planet earths, so do you see the problem if lifespans were increased any more than they currently are? Humans have exceeded the carry capacity of this planet decades ago, which is why some people consider the "boomer" generation to have been the most fortunate to have lived. Our hopes are things like Labgrown meat and other energy saving innovations which can increase Planet Earths carry capacity. Until such time we will have to put up with life as it currently is, with some having a better life than others.

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Post by cellis »

arcticbull wrote: post #219
cellis wrote: post #209

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Great, a gigantic underclass of people forever stuck with no upward mobility!

Yes, what will we do without the famous upward mobility of the factory worker? Seriously though, the majority of humans never see material upward mobility in their lifetimes, and a world without mandatory low-wage jobs per se isn't necessarily a world without upward mobility.

A world without mobility is one without agency...and humanity has been defined by agency. Without it, we might as well not exist, not as humans anyway.

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Post by ixfo »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #231
gumby wrote: post #229

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> I believe all governments should create Warpspeed for this approach. What would that mean in practice?

Lots of money and no red tape.

Red tape in the medical trials domain is forged from blood.

Human experimentation is limited and carefully managed for very good reasons. Killing people to extend other people's lives is not a good tradeoff.

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