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Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

Do you always get a flu shot?

For context, the CDC reports annual hospitalizations from flu up to 710,000. So it's important to remember to always get your flu shot because it reduces transmission of another virus that can cause hospitalizations.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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From reading this article I understood that they drew serum (blood plasma?) from 2 or 3 shot recipients and introduced a similar virus to COVID (pseudo virus?) into the serum because a pseudo virus acts similar but is less dangerous (contagious?) and then I’m not sure if they looked at amount of white blood cells produced. Would love for someone more familiar with the topic to give a layman’s interpretation.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Some places are already completely back to normalcy, like many red states. Normalcy comes from accepting the virus and going back to life as normal; there's not a single place that's achieved normalcy by bringing covid rates down to zero.

It's not really normalcy if one still has to be concerned about catching covid and/or passing it on to vulnerable relatives though.

You don’t have to be concerned. Another commenter brought up that the death rate per 100k is in the range of 1.1 (vaccinated) to ~5 (unvaccinated). Car accidents are >10/100k/yr.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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If they can show that the product helps to save lifes and at some point get back to a normalcy, and especially if there’s no other significantly better product available, I really don’t have an issue with that.

At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?

Normal will be "new" in ways, which is always true, really.

If you look at the broad scale of human history, though, there have been hundreds of epidemics, and we got past them.

I suspect there's an end to be had via broad-based immunity to the most transmissive mutations evolution's random walk can come up with before it hits a local maxima.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

Does the Pfizer jab infection and prevent transmission to others? I thought I saw Fauci and Walensky (CDC) recently lamenting that it doesn't. Most of what I hear people say is it prevents disease severity.

It's not a boolean — it appears that the vaccines reduce spread but do not prevent it entirely. The concerns are because that means we need higher vaccination rates to prevent spread compared to a vaccine which completely halts spread.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people...

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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So you're saying no company ever should undertake any promotion of the benefits of their products? The advertising industry wants a word with you!

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make - it's just advertising, and you're all acting like it's an announcement from a public health authority.

>you're all acting like it's an announcement from a public health authority.

I think people are "acting like" it's scientific data about a vaccine of interest to the public.

Are you suggesting the data is unreliable or falsified? If so, and you have a basis for that, please cite.

Otherwise, it's difficult to understand why you're implying people shouldn't be interested in this information.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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I have a few relatives in the medical field (all vaxxed and boosted) that have explained the booster shot is just more of the same stuff - they haven't had time to make a new recipe.. so isn't this just the same study all over again? i.e 2 shots had high protection in the beginning and waned over time. Can we expect the same from the booster shot?

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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Does the Pfizer jab infection and prevent transmission to others? I thought I saw Fauci and Walensky (CDC) recently lamenting that it doesn't. Most of what I hear people say is it prevents disease severity.

It's a good question. If you Google it, the first page of results has articles reporting different reductions depending on the study, number of doses, and manufacturer. The range of results from a quick glance at a few of the articles is between 11% and 71% reduced transmission.

Thanks I will check it out. Would love to understand how those square up with the many studies that discuss natural immunity and the low to non-existent reinfection/transmission rates there. I know so many people who recovered from covid (jabbed and unjabbed), are healthy now, and don't see a need for a jab/booster.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Table 1, in the linked XLS file for data through 24 September. You can see that it was originally closer to 0.1 (50x protection against death) but it's gone up to 1.1 over the last few months, I'm guessing as immunity has started to wear off.

Something else to consider is that while a person may die while having COVID-19, it does not mean that is all that they died from. People in general may have several health problems, which is especially likely for an 80+ year old person. Some healthcare activities have also been postponed since the outbreak, by the patients and also the hospitals, which may have led to less healthy people.

This is indeed what Table 8 shows. The vaccinated skew elderly, and while slight more vaccinated died, they were at a much lesser risk of dying for COVID. According to that data, over 32 times less likely for their age.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Look all the way over at "Second dose", the age-standardized mortality rate is 1.1 per 100,000 vs 5.4 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated. 5x protection against death.

To put these numbers in perspective, global death rate from car accidents is 18.2/100k/yr. 12.4 in the US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic...

The level of risk aversion in the public still shocks me to the core daily. I always knew people who didn't want to risk a skydive or motorcycles. Now it's apparent that people are keen sacrificing the hopes and dreams of themselves and their children for something equivalent of car accidents.
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