If they can show that the product helps to save lifes and at some point get back to a normalcy, and especially if there’s no other significantly better product available, I really don’t have an issue with that.
At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?
Personally I think the path is countries which have a high vaccination level need to stop implementing restrictions whilst making mitigations such as increasing healthcare capacity (which they should have done 18 months ago but many didn't), paying for rapid testing, enabling PTO for people who think they are sick, sensible mask mandates, etc...
These countries need to lead the way to accepting we've waited for vaccines & prophylactics so that we have tools to use to combat this but there is now a heightened risk that we have to live with and make reasonable mitigations against.
I have a few relatives in the medical field (all vaxxed and boosted) that have explained the booster shot is just more of the same stuff - they haven't had time to make a new recipe.. so isn't this just the same study all over again? i.e 2 shots had high protection in the beginning and waned over time. Can we expect the same from the booster shot?
My assumption at this point is: probably, but the immune system is complicated so nobody's really sure.
At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?
Some places are already completely back to normalcy, like many red states. Normalcy comes from accepting the virus and going back to life as normal; there's not a single place that's achieved normalcy by bringing covid rates down to zero.
It's not really normalcy if one still has to be concerned about catching covid and/or passing it on to vulnerable relatives though.
At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?
Vaccination. Why it doesn't seem to be working is that not everyone is getting vaccinated and there are pockets where the numbers are even lower. EVERY single study shows the likelihood of hospitalization and death is much higher in unvaccinated individuals, why is this hard to understand?
Because people keep flagging every HN post that dares to challenge the "scientific consensus", proving that said 'consensus' is not scientific at all.
At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?
Vaccination. Why it doesn't seem to be working is that not everyone is getting vaccinated and there are pockets where the numbers are even lower. EVERY single study shows the likelihood of hospitalization and death is much higher in unvaccinated individuals, why is this hard to understand?
lmfao. the gene therapy masquerading as a vaccine doesn't work and governments don't like to give up power.
Look up the recent statistics. It's the vaccinated that are filling up the hospitals, not the unvaccinated. Why is this hard to understand?
I have a few relatives in the medical field (all vaxxed and boosted) that have explained the booster shot is just more of the same stuff - they haven't had time to make a new recipe.. so isn't this just the same study all over again? i.e 2 shots had high protection in the beginning and waned over time. Can we expect the same from the booster shot?
They are comparing 3 weeks after second dose and 4 weeks after 3rd dose. Presumably efficacy drop over time after vaccination is not in scope.
Not enough time has passed under observation to actually determine if it will wane similarly.
It's not deadly enough for me to consider a booster, I'll pass on this supplementary shot https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-has-not-seen-any-repor...
Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.
No compassion if gay and bisexual men demand to donate blood. That is awesome and progressive! Not being vaccinated is deplorable.
They're comparing different/dates/vaccination rates, classic Simpson's paradox. No adjusted data shows otherwise.
I'm not. Taking the last available data point which is 24 Sep 21: Unvax 80+ - 28 deaths Double-vax 80+ - 243 deaths What does that mean? It lools like more die with a double-dose. Is that not correct?
You are not. Slightly more vaccinated people died than unvaccinated. However, not from COVID-19. The elderly are more likely to be vaccinated and also more likely to die of heart disease or cancer. You'll note in Table 8 that 34k unvaccinated died of COVID, compared to 14k vaccinated. Also, 83% of people are vaccinated, meaning the unvaccinated would have had to have died at even greater rates, at over 900% the rate of vaccinated. However, to further account for the elderly being at greater risk of COVID, you'll further note that Table 8 has an "age-standardised mortality rate", showing that on an individual basis, choosing to remain unvaccinated made someone 3230% more likely to die of COVID.
I have a few relatives in the medical field (all vaxxed and boosted) that have explained the booster shot is just more of the same stuff - they haven't had time to make a new recipe.. so isn't this just the same study all over again? i.e 2 shots had high protection in the beginning and waned over time. Can we expect the same from the booster shot?
The important bit is Omicron. Since as you say the recipe is the same it is an open question whether these vaccines can offer the same protection as for delta (and for how many doses)