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Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by altacc »

silent_cal wrote: post #43
drewcon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unclear why the cynicism is warranted here. They’re not just making a guess, they performed an experiment that is inline with a comparable experiment from non affiliated SA scientists to yield these results. Should they not run this type of experiment and make a useful and true recommendation to the public? Would that be a better more pure scenario for you?

No they should not make recommendations to the public, because they aren't a public agency - they have a conflict of interest. It's like a hedge fund manager giving public advice on stock picks.

So you're saying no company ever should undertake any promotion of the benefits of their products? The advertising industry wants a word with you!

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by TheRealWatson »

Smooth-Weather wrote: post #22
Jenk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

Those who are vulnerable can take the booster if they want to.

Unfortunately not everyone can take the vaccine.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by disambiguation »

I have a few relatives in the medical field (all vaxxed and boosted) that have explained the booster shot is just more of the same stuff - they haven't had time to make a new recipe.. so isn't this just the same study all over again? i.e 2 shots had high protection in the beginning and waned over time. Can we expect the same from the booster shot?

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by silent_cal »

giarc wrote: post #62
silent_cal wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they should not make recommendations to the public, because they aren't a public agency - they have a conflict of interest. It's like a hedge fund manager giving public advice on stock picks.

>It's like a hedge fund manager giving public advice on stock picks. Why not? Stock picking is their job. Given that logic, a teacher shouldn't tell people how to teach their kid to read, and a plumber shouldn't tell people how to change a faucet.

Are you serious?

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by cure »

bmitc wrote: post #8
fractal618 wrote: post #6

Is "First Shot" "Second Shot" and "Booster" the same as 3 "doses"?

According to the CVS person who did my booster, the booster for Pfizer is a full dose while the Moderna booster is a half dose (relative to each manufacturer's original first and second shot doses).

According to this source https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/02/comparing-the-covid-19-v... the original Pfizer dose was 30 micrograms of vaccine, while Moderna's was 100 micrograms.

If that is correct, then Moderna's booster would still be more vaccine (50 micrograms) than Pfizer's original dose.

Of course more is not necessarily better!

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by mwint »

mshron wrote: post #31
_Understated_ wrote: post #16

Not to hijack the thread: why is my post being flagged? I'm asking a genuine question! I was linking to UK Government data here [0] and asking about the numbers. They're not adding up. I want to know if my interpretation is correct [0] - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

Look all the way over at "Second dose", the age-standardized mortality rate is 1.1 per 100,000 vs 5.4 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated. 5x protection against death.

To put these numbers in perspective, global death rate from car accidents is 18.2/100k/yr. 12.4 in the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic...

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by gizmo »

drewcon wrote: post #52
neither_color wrote: post #11

It's not deadly enough for me to consider a booster, I'll pass on this supplementary shot https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-has-not-seen-any-repor...

I’m fascinated by this thinking. Do you really want to roll the dice on an infection and long term consequences including permanent loss of smell (and taste)? If this virus killed exactly no one but it just commonly removed one of your senses…is that not motivation enough to avoid it? Additionally, I just got over a two week adenovirus infection and it absolutely sucked. Not the sickest I’ve been, but the most sympto…

Permanent loss of smell/taste is not a thing, and how would you even demonstrate it? The disease is merely 2 years old, after all.

Disinformation like yours doesn't help anybody, and makes discourse about covid more contentious than it otherwise would be.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by toss1 »

Jenk wrote: post #14
neither_color wrote: post #11

It's not deadly enough for me to consider a booster, I'll pass on this supplementary shot https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-has-not-seen-any-repor...

Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

Also, "neither_color" does not know enough to make that judgement - NO ONE knows that because the data simply does not exist.

Hospitalization and death are severely lagging indicators - no one knows how deadly it is in what populations.

This is about as stupid a sentiment as HR directors demanding applicants have 10 years experience in [New_Language] two years after it is invented.

This sort of propaganda should have no place on HN

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by detaro »

eckmLJE wrote: post #47
sharklazer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know myself, but this happens frequently. Any body can flag your posts.

Untrue, I believe you need a certain amount of karma to be able to flag.

But it's something like 20 or 25, so really trivial to hit for any genuine user. (Although it's possible there is some weighting going on, so maybe new accounts get less flagging power or something like that)

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by _Understated_ »

fer wrote: post #53
stuartloxton wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to seriously discuss you should put which data points your comparing so others can also compare. When I look at that sheet and look at the rates comparing unvaccinated vs fully faccinated the death rate is lower for every age group when vaccinated. * Comparing week ending 24th September 2021

They're comparing different/dates/vaccination rates, classic Simpson's paradox. No adjusted data shows otherwise.

I'm not. Taking the last available data point which is 24 Sep 21:

Unvax 80+ - 28 deaths Double-vax 80+ - 243 deaths

What does that mean? It lools like more die with a double-dose. Is that not correct?

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