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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by derekpankaew » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 11:33 PM UTC

pwned1 wrote: post #285

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

You're lucky you got some attention. I had google kill my adsense account, which I've had for 10 years+, because I logged in to another google business account of mine with the same phone number I used on my adsense account. They declared that I tried to create duplicate accounts. Account killed. Appeal? Yeah right, that was denied too. No possibility of talking to a human being to explain the simplicity of the issue…

I had a similar experience with AdWords. Then they randomly re-activated me about 5 years later.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by haswell » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 11:44 PM UTC

dredmorbius wrote: post #380

haswell wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to have missed the point entirely. Let me summarize this a different way. You can't personally control the lens through which people look at problems or discuss ideas. Someone approaching a problem differently than you is not automatically a signal that they are wrong, but that they think differently than you do. I may have communicated that poorly through the examples I offered, but bottom line: you and I a…

You can't personally control the lens... That sword cuts both ways. I'm not trying to control . I am trying to shine a light on the issue in an area that seems to be pervasively underilluminated. You're the one who's lashed out several times now against that. If that's not an attempt at control, I don't know what it is. If you find yourself in a conversation you're not having, one option is to leave. Another is to se…

> That sword cuts both ways.

Indeed it does. And as I very openly stated, there's a time and place to discuss what you've raised as well! Even on this very post.

> I'm not trying to control.

Numerous times, you admonished me and the other poster for not bringing value to the conversation because it didn't include points that you personally find most important. You effectively communicated "If you don't include what I personally deem to be most relevant and illuminating, you should check yourself".

If that's not trying to control, I don't know what is.

> If you find yourself in a conversation you're not having, one option is to leave.

Another comment that cuts both ways. I should remind you that you joined the conversation you weren't having, only to tell someone else how they should change what they were discussing.

> in a markedly uninteresting and unilluminating direction

Perhaps to you. Again, you seem to only consider the conversation relative to your own point of view, and that continues even in this conclusion.

I do intend to leave this thread, because it’s devolved into something that doesn’t really align with the spirit of HN.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by reginold » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 12:39 AM UTC

nybble41 wrote: post #372

reginold wrote: post #362

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Oh neat, glad to hear about this. Do they have any blogs/content about why to do this for people like the parent of this thread? While their FAQ seemed great to me, I'm someone already familiar with why this is important and generally how to do it. I could see it being overwhelming to someone just considering the idea. https://forwardemail.net/en/faq#table-of-contents

I don't believe Forward Email runs a blog, but this article[0] has a fairly good summary of how forwarding works and why one might want to set that up. The short version, in the context of this thread, is that it allows you to accept email on your own domain without running your own email servers. And if you ever want to change email providers in the future (or start running your own servers) you just need to edit so…

Telling people to use an email forwarder sounds much easier than "host your own email". I'll try it next time.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by rnotaro » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 1:09 AM UTC

peteradio wrote: post #132

s_dev wrote: post #121

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How does a YouTube 404 turn in to a working link? You don't control what You Tube displays on their 404.

Maybe get a mechanism of law passed which makes it difficult for platforms to sweep content from view in cases of changes of moderation. If youtube decies Charlie Bit Me is violent and they know longer wish host it, then they must provide some sort of redirect if video owner provides. I don't know?

Fun fact, Charlie Bit Me owners actually sold the video as an NFT and removed it from Youtube.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dredmorbius » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 2:00 AM UTC

haswell wrote: post #382

dredmorbius wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't personally control the lens... That sword cuts both ways. I'm not trying to control . I am trying to shine a light on the issue in an area that seems to be pervasively underilluminated. You're the one who's lashed out several times now against that. If that's not an attempt at control, I don't know what it is. If you find yourself in a conversation you're not having, one option is to leave. Another is to se…

> That sword cuts both ways. Indeed it does. And as I very openly stated, there's a time and place to discuss what you've raised as well! Even on this very post. > I'm not trying to control. Numerous times, you admonished me and the other poster for not bringing value to the conversation because it didn't include points that you personally find most important. You effectively communicated "If you don't include what I…

I made an observation, in my first comment to the thread, then answered your question, as my second. In response to that, you accuse me of "hijacking".

Again, a very peculiar and one-sided definition of "control" here.

I don't think this discussion deserves any further attention from me.

Cheers.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by Hard_Space » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 4:22 AM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #325

Hard_Space wrote: post #281

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> that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions Yes there is, see [0] - also posted by me in another reply in this thread, where I mention that my own YouTube account was suspended identically to OP earlier this year, but was restored 3-4 hours after filling out the form. The decision may or may not have been AI-driven, but I'm pretty sure there was a human in the loop…

>had my primary Gmail account locked last week for daring to use a VPN, yikes I check my gmail behind a VPN semi regularly. Now I'm worried.

I forgot, to be honest, that I had two other Gmail logins running on my headless tower at the other end of the room, so requests were coming from my country and from the US simultaneously.

Since I wasn't trying to evade geoblocking, I now use a VPN that's set to my own city AND I shut down the applications on the headless machine. But that still leaves my phone sucking in mails on a non-VPN connection, and that's not so easy to fix, because I'm damned if I'll switch it off every time I need a VPN, or trouble myself to use a VPN on that too.

So, yeah, in general I'm worried too. Personally I think we'll look back on VPN use in five years the way that early 20thC cocaine addicts fondly remember when you could just buy the stuff over the counter without a scrip in pharmacies. Sorry to see China setting the pace on this one.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by goldenkey » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 4:33 AM UTC

notshift wrote: post #270

goldenkey wrote: post #256

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More Plates More Dates, a workout science YouTuber who sometimes talks about 'enhancement', recently got banned off of Bitchute. So it isn't a bastion either.

Does he talk about that in one of his videos? I'm curious to hear more. It looks like there is still a bitchute page up with his brand and videos.

It's possible he got reinstated. Yes, he talked about it briefly in his outro a few videos ago.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by bbradley406 » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 7:56 AM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #336

mcast wrote: post #269

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It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

This makes sense in a weird way. The spammers have full time jobs figuring out Google's algorithm and how to manipulate it. Regular content creators don't, so they tend to get clobbered by the algorithm. As Google continues to tighten the algorithm to fight spam, eventually the only users who will be able to post are the spammers.

I recently got spam in my gmail inbox, something related to a bitcoin opportunity.

Unknown sender, body full of red flag keywords, and an attached .htm file with an obfuscated javascript redirect to the scam domain.

I was honestly impressed they had achieved this. Evolutionary pressure for virii and scams is a real thing, I guess.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by CorrectHorseBat » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 9:54 AM UTC

mcast wrote: post #269

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

And don't forget all the crypto/dropshipping/.. spam advertisement there is on YT.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by josteink » Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 11:09 AM UTC

throwaway82931 wrote: post #28

It's terrifying that the punishments are so draconian (because one false move and you lose access to the entire Google account, and possibly become persona non-grata and lose the ability to create another one even in a company context), it's hard to understand what the rules are, the appeals process generally won't help, and even being a paying customer won't save you. It seems like best practice for any professional…

> It seems like best practice for any professional who needs to use Google

Use single-purpose Google accounts for each professional need, so only one thing gets "banned" or logged out at a time.

Preferably for those accounts you should have email-forwarding to a different "human" account you can check even when logging in to the account is suspended.

Basically an unusual variation of defence in depth?