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YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by yomly »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #229
bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

That is not true. I produce content for YouTube full-time. Just a few days ago a well-performing video ended up age-restricted. It was an edge case, and could have gone either way. I appealed, and included the best argument I could put together. A few hours later I received this: We have reviewed your appeal for the following content: [the video title] After taking another look, we can confirm that your content does…

I think the whole point is that OP appealed, got hard rejection and can't escalate or even compromise.

Now their unrelated YouTube Music account is locked

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by chopin »

smcl wrote: post #195
you-liquidated wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay for my mobile phone service. They still sell my location data. I pay for my TV. It still spies on me. And so on... You are always the product, paying customer or not.

You are sometimes the product when you buy something, but it's not a necessary part of that model. You are always the product in "free" services like FB, YouTube. It is a fundamental part of that model. There are plenty of shitty companies in both buckets (and seemingly more as time goes by) but let's not pretend there's never a difference.

I'd be happy to see such a counter example. If something can phone home, it will. I've yet to see a purchasing site (= I am the customer) which does not share data with third parties, for example.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by 72deluxe »

101008 wrote: post #53

I know losing a YouTube channel is horrible, especially after you dedicated so much time, effort and money - and for some people it may be a source of income as well. It is totally unfair. But my nightmare in here is that you lose access to your whole Google account and that would devastate me. Not only email access (and thus, access to every service I use because I have my Google account linked to it), but also Goog…

I set up my own mail server following the guide here: https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/mail-server-guide/

I also referred to https://www.gmass.co/blog/smtp-server-linux/

I also looked at OwnCloud, but ended up just syncing from my phone to local Mac and doing backups off that regularly.

You could also rsync to other devices. A raspberry Pi with a SSD at home would work fine. If you have a VPN set up on your own network (eg. an ASUS router), you could use it to host photos/backups/music. If you home IP address is dynamic, use a free DDNS provider so you can always connect to your home site.

Just make sure you get a copy of those photos sooner than later!!

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by swayvil »

you-liquidated wrote: post #127
dandare wrote: post #65

> I am a paid Youtube Music subscriber The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So I subscribed to YouTube Music family plan, thinking I won't be the product. But my wife's account will always return an error saying that she is in a different country or something. I tried to reach the support for help but never got any reply. In the end I cancelled the subscription. Google is simply too…

> The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So true. This is why I switched from free Linux to paid Mac, and why I've started replacing open-source apps with commercial ones.

Somebody is flagging and murdering your replies. Apparently for contradicting the official narrative.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by goldenkey »

narrator wrote: post #230
cft wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is their monopoly power over video distribution on the internet: disgruntled users have nowhere else to go. All alternatives are stifled by the monopoly.

There's Rumble, Odysee, Bitchute, Peertube, etc. Just post it there.

More Plates More Dates, a workout science YouTuber who sometimes talks about 'enhancement', recently got banned off of Bitchute. So it isn't a bastion either.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by formerly_proven »

mastazi wrote: post #111
throwaway82931 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpSec is hard. I'm not going to risk that Google won't be able to connect the shadow accounts.

Sure but even if they connect the dots, basically nothing is at stake, at least in my case. The only reason I have an account is for small things like Youtube's "watch later" list.

YT subscriptions and watch later could be entirely done in a JS userscript so that no account is needed at all any more - food for thought.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by thijser »

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page:

Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational."

Thanks hacker news for voting this up and clearly triggering something within the GooglePlex. Still a big -1 for Google/YouTube that their normal processes are completely broken.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by LinuxBender »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #102
jay7600 wrote: post #42

Why do you use YouTube? The html tag was invented 10+ years ago and works flawlessly with mp4.

I think persuading people to self-host is probably a lost cause, you're essentially asking people to pay to put their videos somewhere that nobody's going to see them. If we want to replace YouTube with something less obnoxious (a worthy goal IMO) we have to solve the problem of actually getting an audience for the people putting out the videos to begin with.

Perhaps a balanced approach would be to have a Youtube channel that 100% complies with their algorithms Im half kidding, nobody really know what this is and then your own CDN distributed videos. Mention towards the end of your videos where to find more detailed content and avoid words like uncensored, raw uncut as I am sure the YTBots will see that as evasion. I see some of the more popular youtubers doing this and it appears to be working for them. They still get monetization, audience and ad-revenue leaving their uncensored discussions elsewhere so that YTBots need not concern themselves.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by NoWayDude1 »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #229
bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

That is not true. I produce content for YouTube full-time. Just a few days ago a well-performing video ended up age-restricted. It was an edge case, and could have gone either way. I appealed, and included the best argument I could put together. A few hours later I received this: We have reviewed your appeal for the following content: [the video title] After taking another look, we can confirm that your content does…

Imagine you, as a full time content producer, have been banned from YouTube for good, just because. Your appeal ended up the same way as for OP "response within less than 15 minutes that they appeal has been rejected and that no further replies will be processed". Would you want the government involvement in this case?
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