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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by bobviolier »

chkhd wrote: post #145

I just hope the remote development features will actually work adequately in this. They tried to get that stuff working with existing IDEs multiple times [0][1][2][3], but they are all broken in their unique ways. Whenever I see them announce something new in the remote development space I always jump in right away and try it out, discover it is broken too, and then go back to using VS Code remote dev features. For l…

Out of curiosity, what doesn't work for you with Code With Me? The only thing I can think of is that the "client" also needs to have Code With Me installed, instead of a possible browser integration like VSCode has.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by FpUser »

comprev wrote: post #71

Although I only speak English I greatly appreciate the fact their blog is available in so many other languages. Are their IDEs interfaces available in multiple languages too?

English is my second language and my knowledge of it is far from perfect.

Still after decades of development my brain simply refuses to understand any IDE or anything development related for that matter in any language other than the English.

And it's been that way even when I did not understand nearly any English.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by simion314 »

quanticle wrote: post #14
wokwokwok wrote: post #10

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

They could compete with VSCode, but what would be their competitive advantage? Being a pale imitation of VSCode with fewer features and tied to an online offering that has less mindshare than Github doesn't seem to me like it's a winning strategy.

They managed to sell in the past a C# plugin for Visual Studio, so people paid money on Visual Studio and this company convinced them to pay more and buy a plugin for a Microsoft language and a Microsoft IDE, people paid because it is a great product (for their projects). IMO they for sure can improve on VS Code, I bet they could sell you plugins better then MS can create and I think this is because when you are closer to your user you focus on the important stuff and no dude with a vision pushes things into a shitty direction.

From my daily experience I can oopen a file and see what parts of the code were created in VS Studio or other basic editors, they have linting errors all over the place, I am not sure if the defaults are shit or if the linters are shit but I can confirm I can tell what (JavaScript)code was not made with a good IDE.

I worked in Visual Stduio, Eclipse ,Intellij, QtCreator, and VS Code , and I am paying for Intellij because it makes me more productive , this might not apply on your specific project or your personal workflow.

P.S. I still use my terminal tools like cat,tail,grep, diff so I am not a guy that needs pretty GUIs and I run an old Kubuntu LTS so I am not the person that looks at software at some identity badge.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by 19h »

bobviolier wrote: post #161
chkhd wrote: post #145

I just hope the remote development features will actually work adequately in this. They tried to get that stuff working with existing IDEs multiple times [0][1][2][3], but they are all broken in their unique ways. Whenever I see them announce something new in the remote development space I always jump in right away and try it out, discover it is broken too, and then go back to using VS Code remote dev features. For l…

Out of curiosity, what doesn't work for you with Code With Me? The only thing I can think of is that the "client" also needs to have Code With Me installed, instead of a possible browser integration like VSCode has.

Code With Me is amazing except when it doesn’t completely work it doesn’t work at all.

Command + click doesn’t always work if there’s a lot of latency, many times the „follow other developer“ feature turns off randomly, often the search breaks or doesn’t work at all, the video & audio inside the IDE causes lag and massive amounts of load (so much that many of our devs switched to discord).

For what it’s worth it works mostly great when the developers pairing together are in the same country, but it’s pretty bad when i.e. a developer from Berlin, Germany pairs with one from Columbus, Ohio. So I guess it’s a latency problem.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by iruoy »

asattarmd wrote: post #139
mikkelam wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UI is probably written with compose https://github.com/JetBrains/compose-jb

I believe so as well. Compose is very similar to Electron. Jetbrains Toolbox (which uses compose) uses 500mb memory which is on par with what Electron would use for such a simple app.

I just checked. On my Windows laptop from work it uses 18.5 MB in the background. It uses 220-240 MB in the foreground though. Which seems totally unnecessary.

I already ditched the Toolbox app on macOS, because it marks the binaries as Intel only (while they're universal). The IDE's built in updater seems fine if you're only using the stable versions. So I think I'm just going to remove the Toolbox app from all my machines.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by pqb »

chkhd wrote: post #145

I just hope the remote development features will actually work adequately in this. They tried to get that stuff working with existing IDEs multiple times [0][1][2][3], but they are all broken in their unique ways. Whenever I see them announce something new in the remote development space I always jump in right away and try it out, discover it is broken too, and then go back to using VS Code remote dev features. For l…

I think all from posted by you remote dev envs fill other use-case and niche.

- "Code with me" is a Zoom/Google Meet with a code sharing.

- "Projector" provides Web view alongside of typical desktop-app IDE sharing. If you need example, there was a nice submission week ago that touches that topic [0].

- "Editing by SSH" - way another niche. Connect via SSH to remote machine, edit and synchronize your changes over the SSH. Nothing new, I guess Python and PHP devs love to use it. I have been recently using it, while I was tinkering with Raspberry Pi.

- "Remote development" or some kind "developer-machine-as-a-service" idea (JetBrains Space / Gateway), which is close to Projector, with a difference the machines are rented or managed by the company (burst usage). Ironically, it is nice idea even for small companies (For a person who used various way of remote coding in my life. I think all of those are complementary and I don't see any burden there. I hope they will keep and improve them over next years.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29304667

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by FpUser »

tluyben2 wrote: post #15

Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.

I have 3 main development computers on which I use CLion. One is shared duty workstation/server with 20 cores and 512GB RAM another is main desktop desktop with 16 cores and 128GB RAM and 3rd is tiny small factor PC with 8 cores and 128GB RAM which I drag around to summer cottage etc.

CLion is very fast on either. I guess gobbles of RAM counts. I also have laptops with 32GB RAM each but did not try it on those as I no longer use laptops for development (no business need).

Still as my main development language for backend is C++ I mostly use Visual Studio. Especially since their preview version allows seamless development / debugging on remote Linux server. Hard to describe but it just fits me better, feels more "natural".

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by digerata »

technobabbler wrote: post #98
quanticle wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. If they did that, then why would anyone buy IntelliJ? I understand why Microsoft came out with VSCode. They didn't have anything to offer for developers who weren't already bought into the Windows/.Net stack. VSCode was an effort to reach o…

IntelliJ is clunky as ef, and slow as hell. It's really powerful but feels really ancient, and isn't native on anything. I hate Java. I hope this is their attempt to completely bypass the old platform and create a new product from scratch, starting with vscode parity but eventually reaching the power of IntelliJ and replacing it wholesale. I don't know if that's their actual intent, but I can hope.

You hate Java but are okay with the DOM as an editor…

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by dubcanada »

politelemon wrote: post #13

Looking through the features, and the similarity of the architecture, looks like this is meant to compete with VS Code. Even the Settings implementation has the same global/user/workspace hierarchy; there's the 'trusted' code concept too. The one thing that might make it stand out is the smart mode: lightweight editor by default, and enabling it brings in the heavier IDE features. Anecdotally I've stopped using Jetbr…

I get what you are saying, but you are aware VSCode is an entire web browser with a small coding engine. Jetbrains IDEs while built with Java are at least native code. Jetbrain IDEs are also full IDEs, not notepads with a few extras. It's rather hard to compare the two, a proper comparison would be something like Visual Studio.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by pjmlp »

quanticle wrote: post #25
atraac wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope it's free too. Otherwise it makes no sense. As a customer paying for full IDE(Rider) I won't kneecap myself by paying for vscode alternative, even though I really hate working in vscode. If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. They have quite a lot of money from regu…

>If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. If they did that, then why would anyone buy IntelliJ? I understand why Microsoft came out with VSCode. They didn't have anything to offer for developers who weren't already bought into the Windows/.Net stack. VSCode was an effort to reach o…

VSCode origins precede that idea, it was born as the Monaco editor for editing in Azure, before it came into the desktop, also the main architect behind it is Erich Gamma.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUGWOdN3JHU

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