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Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.
What can Fleet do that VSCode doesn't already do better? I'm looking at the architecture description [1], and it seems like it's set up almost identically to how VSCode handles remote editing and language servers. Sure, Fleet is integrated with JetBrains' Spaces, but will that ever stand up to Github's offerings? I use both VSCode and JetBrains' IDEs in my day-to-day work so I would consider myself as having one foot…
Let’s not play “pretend vscode is amazing” here today.
The plug-ins for many languages are of massively varying quality and some of them really suck.
The only thing they having going for them is being free.
So… It’s pretty questionable to say:
> What can Fleet do that VSCode doesn't already do better?
Obviously, support languages with the full range of JB tooling, that is categorically better than the pathetic support vscode offers for, say, c#.
…but, those tools cost $$$, and if you mean, “is it worth paying for the things Fleet can do over vscode…?” Well… it’s hard to say.
Probably not for most vscode users.
I'm not sure what the use case is, for small tasks I have Sublime Text, for full on work, I have JetBrains. This /looks/ like a strange place between ST and VSCode
Looks like it places itself a little above VSCode, thanks to its Intellij code engine. Also remote coding means you could have a much beefier machine elsewhere and code on a notebook on the go, for example.
There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…
I really hope it's free too. Otherwise it makes no sense. As a customer paying for full IDE(Rider) I won't kneecap myself by paying for vscode alternative, even though I really hate working in vscode. If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. They have quite a lot of money from regu…
If they did that, then why would anyone buy IntelliJ?
I understand why Microsoft came out with VSCode. They didn't have anything to offer for developers who weren't already bought into the Windows/.Net stack. VSCode was an effort to reach out to those developers and tell them, "Hey, even if you don't use Windows, even if you've never touched C#, we still have something to offer you."
JetBrains isn't in that position. Their IDEs are cross-platform (though, admittedly, some platforms are more equal than others). Moreover, their IDEs are all they have. They're not like Microsoft, where sacrificing some Visual Studio sales can be justified as a way of attracting developers to the broader platform.
I really don't understand the product strategy here. Either they keep Fleet cut down, disadvantaging it in comparisons against VSCode, or they make it full-featured, and cannibalize IntelliJ license renewals.
What's the long-term play that I'm missing?
[0]I use vscode as a basic text editor that can handle lots of files in a multi directory workspace because it's fast at it, plus markdown rendering and some basic autocomplete. I don't use the debugging features, navigation, or anything similar in it, but like I said, I give it full marks for being capable there, it's just that's outside my use case.
Built from scratch ehh? I wonder what it’ll be priced at. It seems promising. DOA without vim bindings though.
> DOA without vim bindings though. The number of users pining for Vim and Vim bindings is greatly exaggerated.
Vim, not even once.
It is supposed to be fast, but starts up in “seconds”. Shame.
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I really hope it's free too. Otherwise it makes no sense. As a customer paying for full IDE(Rider) I won't kneecap myself by paying for vscode alternative, even though I really hate working in vscode. If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. They have quite a lot of money from regu…
>If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. If they did that, then why would anyone buy IntelliJ? I understand why Microsoft came out with VSCode. They didn't have anything to offer for developers who weren't already bought into the Windows/.Net stack. VSCode was an effort to reach o…