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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by creshal »

bennyp101 wrote: post #8

I'm not sure what the use case is, for small tasks I have Sublime Text, for full on work, I have JetBrains. This /looks/ like a strange place between ST and VSCode

Same.

> For years folks have been asking us, “JetBrains, when will you create a lightweight editor?”

I sure never did. If anything, I want their IDEs to be more involved and sophisticated.

Otherwise I'm likely going to cancel our company subscriptions next year, VSCode is starting to overtake e.g. PyCharm in terms of developer comfort.

So I really hope this is just a tech demonstrator to renew the architecture of their proper IDEs and they'll be picking up momentum on the latter as well.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by quanticle »

What can Fleet do that VSCode doesn't already do better? I'm looking at the architecture description [1], and it seems like it's set up almost identically to how VSCode handles remote editing and language servers. Sure, Fleet is integrated with JetBrains' Spaces, but will that ever stand up to Github's offerings?

I use both VSCode and JetBrains' IDEs in my day-to-day work so I would consider myself as having one foot in either camp, but I'm really struggling to come up with anything positive to say about Fleet, and the description that they've posted isn't doing anything to help me with that.

[1] https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/#distributive

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by politelemon »

Looking through the features, and the similarity of the architecture, looks like this is meant to compete with VS Code. Even the Settings implementation has the same global/user/workspace hierarchy; there's the 'trusted' code concept too. The one thing that might make it stand out is the smart mode: lightweight editor by default, and enabling it brings in the heavier IDE features.

Anecdotally I've stopped using Jetbrains IDEs due to the bloat factor and their relatively poor Linux support, where VSCode has been providing excellent support and still manages to stay lightweight (though, it's starting to get notification heavy, isn't it?). Fleet is aimed at people like us so I'm willing to give it a try, but expectations are low.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by quanticle »

wokwokwok wrote: post #10

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

They could compete with VSCode, but what would be their competitive advantage? Being a pale imitation of VSCode with fewer features and tied to an online offering that has less mindshare than Github doesn't seem to me like it's a winning strategy.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by tluyben2 »

Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by iCarrot »

bennyp101 wrote: post #8

I'm not sure what the use case is, for small tasks I have Sublime Text, for full on work, I have JetBrains. This /looks/ like a strange place between ST and VSCode

Looks like it places itself a little above VSCode, thanks to its Intellij code engine. Also remote coding means you could have a much beefier machine elsewhere and code on a notebook on the go, for example.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by atraac »

wokwokwok wrote: post #10

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

I really hope it's free too. Otherwise it makes no sense. As a customer paying for full IDE(Rider) I won't kneecap myself by paying for vscode alternative, even though I really hate working in vscode. If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. They have quite a lot of money from regular IDEs, if they can release this for free and monetize cloud support, I think they'll be fine. It probably won't take away money from fully fledged IDE users anyway, but I'd love to have IntelliJ-vscode alternative.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by gigatexal »

dmitriid wrote: post #7
gigatexal wrote: post #2

Built from scratch ehh? I wonder what it’ll be priced at. It seems promising. DOA without vim bindings though.

> DOA without vim bindings though. The number of users pining for Vim and Vim bindings is greatly exaggerated.

Sure, for users who don't mind not having it. But for me I can't use anything without it. I vim all the things: my browser, my editor (vim of course), and will sure as shit shill for anything that makes more than a half baked effort to cater to my vim obsession. So for me it's a deal breaker, might not be for you.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by gigatexal »

rk06 wrote: post #3
gigatexal wrote: post #2

Built from scratch ehh? I wonder what it’ll be priced at. It seems promising. DOA without vim bindings though.

What? Vim bindings is not a deal breaker for majority of users. The decisive factor will be what does it bring over vscode?

> The decisive factor will be what does it bring over vscode?

Hopefully a native, non-electron mess. I'm excited to check it out. Plugins should fix any holes with respect to vim mode ;-).

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