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Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by tdhz77 » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

shituonui wrote: post #27

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[ slightly edited version of a reply i made a week ago on the CR article]: I have a 2017 Model X that I bought new. The EV part is great, its everything else that sucks. Since I've had it, I've taken it for service for the following: o Arrived w/o Tow pkg (Tesla "forgot" it, was installed via service center appt) o falcon wing doors improperly adjusted, leading to wind noise and water intrusion o Loud wind noise and…

PHEVs make more sense to me anyway. For the majority of trips they run off the battery which makes them just as good as a BEV, but they have no problems with range and they are a whole lot cheaper.

Range isn’t an issue for anybody who has owned an EV.

Your behavior changed when you got an iPhone and you moved on with your life. Same thing here.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by tdhz77 » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #72

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Car buyers who are unhappy with their Teslas should look into their local 'lemon law', which can be very consumer-friendly. In CA, for example, the lemon law covers you up to 18 months after purchase, and if you satisfy any one of the prongs then the manufacturer will be required to buy the car back from you. Summary of the criteria: [1] • for defects that could cause injury/death, the manufacturer has tried unsucces…

Unfortunately I've had so many different problems that Tesla has only had the opportunity to look at each one once or twice. And none of them are of the "injury/death" kind, at least as far as I know. But they keep piling up, up to ten now.

My Tesla phantom brakes me right into a highway divider and totaled my car.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by ohgodplsno » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

BluSyn wrote: post #69

I have an early build 2018 Model 3 Performance. I have experienced almost zero quality issues. I use Autopilot frequently and have experienced phantom braking maybe 5 times ever in 3+ years, and certainly isn't a deal-breaker. In fact it's improved dramatically since I first got the car. I feel like all I ever hear from outside the Tesla owner bubble is quality issues, complaints, weird problems I've never experience…

>have experienced phantom braking maybe 5 times

I'm sure the drivers behind you were thrilled to learn it didn't bother you when your car decided to randomly brake.

>Why is every review of Tesla highlighting the flaws, whereas every review of non-EV cars highlight the positives?

Amongst other things, because other constructors aren't taking every opportunity to jerk themselves about how you're the pretended best in the world when they're just a mediocre constructor selling overpriced cars with bad build quality and lying on having level 5 autopilot at every occasion.

> How come Tesla owners don't get to write about their positive experiences without being called fanboys or shills?

Because ultimately, your feelings about the car gets overshadowed by the fact that Tesla is at the bottom of every single reliability study. They're worse than Jeeps, ffs. That's a new record.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by hvgk » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:48 PM UTC

obnauticus wrote: post #34

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i know someone who has a fully-charged model 3 they had spent extra 20k euros to improve it for instance: they added custom roof sealing, because it was getting too loud inside when driving on the highways and then they (tastefully) refitted it with custom-made carbon elements on the inside and the outside tuned/improved Teslas are not that uncommon if you know some owners

For something priced as high as the TM3, TMY or TMX, I find it hilarious that someone would spend even more money just to bring it to parity with other the automotive "luxuries" such as sound deadening. Mind you, most of these luxuries are have been provided by other economy cars at Just as an observation I don't think the new money buying these cars understands or has ever sat in an actual nice car at the same price…

I don’t think they’ve ever sat in a crap car either. Most of those are better. The four Teslas I’ve been in feel like I’m sitting in a bottom end Android tablet or some hospital equipment.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by trulyme » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:51 PM UTC

BluSyn wrote: post #69

I have an early build 2018 Model 3 Performance. I have experienced almost zero quality issues. I use Autopilot frequently and have experienced phantom braking maybe 5 times ever in 3+ years, and certainly isn't a deal-breaker. In fact it's improved dramatically since I first got the car. I feel like all I ever hear from outside the Tesla owner bubble is quality issues, complaints, weird problems I've never experience…

Well, maybe this will change when the reviewer doesn't find water in the trunk of the car after washing it? Or when their car doesn't brake for no reason? Some things are simply not acceptable for ordinary users who are accustomed to other companies' quality standards. Especially at comparable price point.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by erikpukinskis » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:51 PM UTC

stevev wrote: post #45

This makes me weary about considering the Tesla Cybertruck. Besides the author, the amount of topics or personal stories about the quality of Tesla vehicles looks alarming.

I think you mean leery, or maybe wary.

Unless they actually made you tired.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by btbuilder » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:52 PM UTC

csa wrote: post #94

georgewfraser wrote: post #65

I don’t know how to square this review with my own experience of owning a Y for a year. The autopilot is nearly perfect, noticeably better than a human driver in stop and go traffic on the highway. Given the history of downright dishonest reviews by old school car people with an irrational hatred of Tesla, this review really should have been accompanied by video evidence of phantom braking.

Agreed. I got my Model Y in June. Yes, sometimes it has phantom braking. For reference, on a 9 hour drive to LV from my house, it happened maybe 5 times, and they were all fixed with a mild press of the accelerator. If this is a deal breaker for you, don’t get a Tesla. If the failed promise of FSD is a deal breaker for you, don’t get a Tesla (I don’t have it and don’t want it). Other than the minor issues (for me) of…

Maybe I am old-school but 5 times in a 9 hour drive seems unacceptably high for a potentially dangerous event. Is it incorrect to believe the car brakes at full braking force? Is there some predictor of the car making this error that makes it easier to handle?

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by dylan604 » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

throwaway81523 wrote: post #46

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>E.g. F-150 vs Cybertruck. I'm in Texas, and there are stereotype supporting large number of truck owners around. Of the ones I've spoken to about Cybertruck, not one of them are interested in the body. People like how their Fords/Dodge/Chevy trucks look, so taking the design so far away from the norm just seems like an odd decision. Worse than the original Prius design.

I can't understand the deal with the electric F150 or almost any other modern pickup. They all have full sized 4 door interiors now, so as the truck has gotten bigger, the truck bed (the actually useful part that distinguishes a truck from a car) has gotten smaller. They are usually under 5.5 feet now, so there's many types of furniture you can't really move in them, which you could move in older, smaller pickups. An…

That's why you're seeing things like the extended bed options of the new tailgate designs. Also, most people don't need to carry 6'+ items. They do need to take the ankle biters along and maybe haul some stuff in the back. The trade off seems to be accepted going by number of units sold. If you keep the 6' bed plus the comfy backseats as you've mentioned, it no longer fits in standard garages.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by dylan604 » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

xoxxala wrote: post #54

dylan604 wrote: post #44

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Maybe I have the wrong car model. What was the one with the odd shape with the rear wheels covered, etc?

Honda Insight, probably.

Man, it's a good thing I'm not a betting person. I would have bet it was the Prius. phew. Thanks for setting me straight

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by vesrah » Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

danw1979 wrote: post #76

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My car doesn't randomly apply the brakes for no reason.

Mine - a UK Prius plug-in 2013 - still, after all the recalls and software updates, skids forward uncontrollably if you’re braking and hit a drain lid, because the traction control goes loopy somehow. I’m not defending Tesla here, but let’s not pretend the established manufacturers don’t run into safety issues when it comes to the clever software under the hood.

These kind of ABS issues (braking over a big bump, normal braking to an extremely slippery surface with just one wheel, etc) are pretty common among many cars. They basically all use one of a few ABS systems from Bosch or Continental with the parameters set to match the chassis / tire / etc setup.