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2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by bwanab »

mulcahey wrote: post #30

Commenting just to say that I've had a Model 3 since 2017 with zero issues. Anecdotally, I have tons of friends with Teslas and haven't heard a single nightmare service or build quality issue from any of them. Autopilot has been great -- probably over half my miles driven. Still a work-in-progress for city streets but FSD improvements have been pretty impressive from what I've observed on YouTube. Service has been pr…

My M3 since 2019. No issues at all. I wish all my other cars had been so good.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by jokoon »

When are they going to build a small, cheap electric car? Model S, X, Y, 3 all those cars are heavy tanks.

I'm quite tired of those companies always aiming for rich customers. If Musk was really for the environment, he would try to make those cars affordable.

I guess Tesla doesn't have the production capacity to make a high production cheaper car yet?

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by steelframe »

drewg123 wrote: post #16
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

[ slightly edited version of a reply i made a week ago on the CR article]: I have a 2017 Model X that I bought new. The EV part is great, its everything else that sucks. Since I've had it, I've taken it for service for the following: o Arrived w/o Tow pkg (Tesla "forgot" it, was installed via service center appt) o falcon wing doors improperly adjusted, leading to wind noise and water intrusion o Loud wind noise and…

> Worn half shafts caused shudder under acceleration, replaced at ~20k miles

I owned a 2016 Model X, and I got the dreaded half-shaft shudder after only 5k miles. When I took it in to the SC for evaluation, the tech driving the car blurted, "Oh yeah, there it is! This happens with all the Model Xs" when moderately accelerating uphill and the car shuddered quite a bit.

Fast-forward 20 minutes, I'm sitting at the desk with the SC rep, and they say, "Yes there was a shudder, but that's normal." That was the 11th -- and final -- issue I had with that car. I traded it in for a Jaguar I-PACE shortly after and never looked back.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by xoxxala »

dylan604 wrote: post #44
jefftk wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original Prius design was very conventional: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1st-Toyota-Prius.jpg The second generation is the well-known streamlined shape: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008_Toyota_Prius_(N... (I think the shape was probably not a mistake on Toyota's part. A lot of people were buying them partly because they wanted other people to know they had them, and the shape indicated thi…

Maybe I have the wrong car model. What was the one with the odd shape with the rear wheels covered, etc?

Honda Insight, probably.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by martythemaniak »

Marazan wrote: post #42
martythemaniak wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a Model3 for three and a half years now (very early VIN). It's been our primary and for much of the time, only car. It's been fantastic, and I've recommended it to everyone, and three people I know have purchased 3s/Ys as well and have also been super satisfied. Is it flawless? No - upon delivery the read badge was missing and the glove box had a gap. Went to get it fixed. Year after that the front arms need…

My car doesn't randomly apply the brakes for no reason.

Neither does mine.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by jefftk »

xoxxala wrote: post #54
dylan604 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I have the wrong car model. What was the one with the odd shape with the rear wheels covered, etc?

Honda Insight, probably.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HondaInsight.jpg

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by djanogo »

pmcollins wrote: post #38

tldr: the author writes off the entire car because the optional self driving feature, which has like 10% uptake, doesn’t perform well on side roads.

He is talking about adaptive cruise control, which is a standard feature in 20k cars now(called ACC on Honda Civic or TSS 2 on Toyota Corolla).

"A $70,000 car that can't even do cruise control is inexcusable and so, for now at least, I must recommend against the Model Y."

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by tpmx »

pmcollins wrote: post #38

tldr: the author writes off the entire car because the optional self driving feature, which has like 10% uptake, doesn’t perform well on side roads.

My understanding is that the car is randomly braking even when the optional self driving feature isn't used because they attempted to replace a long-time tested radar-based crash avoidance safety system (mandatory in US+EU) with something based on cameras + computer vision because of ... reasons.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by ozzythecat »

martythemaniak wrote: post #29
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

I've had a Model3 for three and a half years now (very early VIN). It's been our primary and for much of the time, only car. It's been fantastic, and I've recommended it to everyone, and three people I know have purchased 3s/Ys as well and have also been super satisfied. Is it flawless? No - upon delivery the read badge was missing and the glove box had a gap. Went to get it fixed. Year after that the front arms need…

Best by what metric?

I have a six year old Corolla. No issues at all. We put gas in it and have tire rotations and regular oil changes.

My Corolla is like my AirPod Pros. It just works, every time, consistently. Personally, I just want a car that has no hassles and is dependable above all else. I’d like a cold A/C on hot days and a good heater on cold days.

I guess my point is - I’d love to drive an electric car and not have to go to the gas pump. But I’m not willing to deal with all the myriad issues I so often hear about from Tesla owners. I’m not interested in paying a premium for some auto maker to alpha, beta, and pre-prod test their product before getting it to modern manufacturing and reliability standards.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by gnicholas »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

Car buyers who are unhappy with their Teslas should look into their local 'lemon law', which can be very consumer-friendly. In CA, for example, the lemon law covers you up to 18 months after purchase, and if you satisfy any one of the prongs then the manufacturer will be required to buy the car back from you. Summary of the criteria: [1]

• for defects that could cause injury/death, the manufacturer has tried unsuccessfully to fix the problem twice

• for any other defects, the manufacturer has tried unsuccessfully to fix the problem 4 times

• the vehicle has been 'in the shop' for a total of 30 days (need not be consecutive)

We had a VW that qualified for lemon law relief, and VW was forced to purchase the car back from us, including sales tax. There was a minimal amount that was not refunded, to reflect the month or so that we got to use the car before it started acting up.

1: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/when-can-you-use-calif...

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