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2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by therouwboat »

Syonyk wrote: post #41
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had a lot of friends buy Teslas in the past few years. Exact same story: Faults everywhere, long waits, poor service (albeit super friendly and with a smile). One friend has received his Model 3 back twice now with the problem not fixed at all. He's resigned to just living with the problem until the service backlogs are lower. It has been interesting to see how tolerance for these quality issues has waned as the shin…

The early adopters were True Believers. Elon was changing the world, and to admit any fault was to interfere with The Plan. So they tended exceedingly defensive of Tesla, well past what the outside world considered absurd when they actually admitted the problems. Tesla has expanded outside that market, and to a person who is looking for a more or less reasonable car, that matches other cars in the price bracket, you'…

Tesla also prioritizing deliveries to employees, investors and owners, probably not just to thank them.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by LeoPanthera »

gnicholas wrote: post #60
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

Car buyers who are unhappy with their Teslas should look into their local 'lemon law', which can be very consumer-friendly. In CA, for example, the lemon law covers you up to 18 months after purchase, and if you satisfy any one of the prongs then the manufacturer will be required to buy the car back from you. Summary of the criteria: [1] • for defects that could cause injury/death, the manufacturer has tried unsucces…

Unfortunately I've had so many different problems that Tesla has only had the opportunity to look at each one once or twice. And none of them are of the "injury/death" kind, at least as far as I know.

But they keep piling up, up to ten now.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by faebi »

jokoon wrote: post #52

When are they going to build a small, cheap electric car? Model S, X, Y, 3 all those cars are heavy tanks. I'm quite tired of those companies always aiming for rich customers. If Musk was really for the environment, he would try to make those cars affordable. I guess Tesla doesn't have the production capacity to make a high production cheaper car yet?

Exactly. They won't lower their prices and margins until their months of backlog clear up either because of less customers buying at that price point or more cars being build.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by blamazon »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

Model X ownership is a breeze far from the Bay Area. My mom’s model X has gone in at least a dozen times and there’s never a wait for an appointment. The local service center is excellent.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by muglug »

dillondoyle wrote: post #37
FireBeyond wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cameras in a Tesla are not 576mp (which is the closest approximation or estimate of our eyes), and nor do they have 21 stops of dynamic range (same). And they also don't have 16+ years, minimum, of 24/7 "non-machine learning" to augment their judgment.

This source says they are only 1280×960 which ML reduces to 160x120 depth grid? Seems crazily low resolution to me and also somewhat amazing they can do what they can with that (which I think doesn't matter much as it's still scary if they can't avoid obvious concrete obstacles or do the opposite brake ing op says) https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1412597377228226562 https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/commen…

Yeah, humans with eyesight that bad are not allowed on the road (for good reason).

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by danw1979 »

Marazan wrote: post #42
martythemaniak wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a Model3 for three and a half years now (very early VIN). It's been our primary and for much of the time, only car. It's been fantastic, and I've recommended it to everyone, and three people I know have purchased 3s/Ys as well and have also been super satisfied. Is it flawless? No - upon delivery the read badge was missing and the glove box had a gap. Went to get it fixed. Year after that the front arms need…

My car doesn't randomly apply the brakes for no reason.

Mine - a UK Prius plug-in 2013 - still, after all the recalls and software updates, skids forward uncontrollably if you’re braking and hit a drain lid, because the traction control goes loopy somehow.

I’m not defending Tesla here, but let’s not pretend the established manufacturers don’t run into safety issues when it comes to the clever software under the hood.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by 01100011 »

zhoujianfu wrote: post #47
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

My first X (2016) went to the shop 17 times in the first year, all for different issues. It’s now finally more or less working reliably. I got a new X in 2019 and so far it’s had no issues at all.

I'm a Tesla hater, but I think it's reasonable to assume their quality will dramatically improve as they get production figured out and stop hacking things together to meet their numbers.

Re: 2021 Tesla Model Y review: Nearly great, critically flawed

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Post by noodle »

jokoon wrote: post #52

When are they going to build a small, cheap electric car? Model S, X, Y, 3 all those cars are heavy tanks. I'm quite tired of those companies always aiming for rich customers. If Musk was really for the environment, he would try to make those cars affordable. I guess Tesla doesn't have the production capacity to make a high production cheaper car yet?

Well, the reality is that they also have to create and run a profitable business, as well, which they would have failed at if they started with cheaper vehicles. It seems likely they'll go downmarket eventually, once they have the scale to survive off of the lower margins that come with cheaper cars.

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Post by 01100011 »

wpietri wrote: post #13
LeoPanthera wrote: post #4

I've owned a Model X for a year. It dates from before they removed radar, so autopilot still works very well. The rest of the car, however, does not. It is the least reliable car I have ever known. I am currently tracking ten faults, and waiting for my fifth service, which could only be booked with nearly a month to wait. The most serious faults involve the car sometimes failing to start without a hard reboot first (…

Yeah, "move fast and break things" is a much better ethos for low-stakes software than high-stakes hardware.

I'm worried that manufacturers see people accepting Tesla quality and follow suit.

I just read an article about Fisker following the "Apple model" where they stay lean and outsource all production. Uh, yeah that's great for a $1,000 phone but when I drop 50x that on a rolling death machine I expect quality to be controlled from end to end and kept in house.

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