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What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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I wonder if the readers/commenters realize there is a massive blackout about this in China. All this propaganda is directed at us. check Laowhy86's video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc4tNY7S6Q

I wouldn't trust Laowhy86's videos on topics about China. His channel is very clear on anti-china progaganda.

He was very pro-China until he had to literally escape with his family in-extremis while being hunted down.

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laowhy86 is about as reliable a source on China as Alex Jones on Sandy Hook. Bottom of the gutter grifting.

Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?

Digging to China YT channel. Amazing coverage, objective and very sound.

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What's your opinion on this alternative translation posted a couple of days ago? https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/qzhxao/translation_... It attempts to highlight a few cultural nuances missing from the original translation. However it hasn't had any native speakers weigh in on it on r/tennis.

It's commendable that he tried adding more notes but on the whole I don't find it more useful to English speakers than the version I linked. The version you linked also has some things I disagree with: I disagree with note 4, claiming that that paragraph is her evidence for non-consensual relationship. My reading of that paragraph (about 10 years ago, the previous time she had an affair) is that that was consensual,…

She clearly says that she was in tears and panicking when he pressured her for sex the second time. There's very little ambiguity there: this is a serious allegation of lack of true consent, not just emotional venting.

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You have to at least admit that the reaction of the Chinese government didn't help in the matter. If the post hadn't been immediately deleted and any discussion censored, if the government announced an open investigation and Peng Shuai were free to talk to media then none of this would have happened. This lack of openness of the Chinese government on issues such as these is what essentially leaves what you call sinop…

Food for thought: when has any action of the Chinese government been cast in a good light by Western media? We start from the conclusion "China bad" and search for evidence to confirm it, while ignoring contrary evidence.

I'm European. The news I read about the US aren't exactly feel good stories either. That's generally not what people are interested in.

There are occasional short articles about some funny internet sensation or what have you but you do read about those from China as well. Like for instance when that elephant herd moved through Southern China earlier this year.

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He is actually very clear on that. He is anti-CCP. China != CCP

The CCP has some 100,000,000 active members and >90% domestic approval rate. You simply cannot decouple it from "China" in any meaningful social, political, or economic manner without resorting to boring Orientalist/"white savior" narratives.

And I hear over in NK, 100% of people approve of the Kim dynasty.

Weird how great stats they get, gotta get in on their secret.

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I wouldn't trust Laowhy86's videos on topics about China. His channel is very clear on anti-china progaganda.

He is actually very clear on that. He is anti-CCP. China != CCP

A distinction that the CCP is clear to confuse. I believe his wife is Chinese, he lived in the country for a long time and his videos clearly show that he has no real problem with the Chinese people (if you had a problem with Chinese people...why would you move to China? It makes no sense, there must be some psychological bias where people see bigotry everywhere), he just doesn't like the CCP (tbh, his account of why he left China justifies that view, he may not be telling the truth, I don't really care tbh but that is his story). For some reason, people will view not liking the CCP as a slight against all Chinese people but those same people will usually dislike America with same venom they see in others...funny that.

But yeah, his videos are partisan, there is nothing wrong with being partisan and having an opinion. People are free to have opinions whether other people agree or disagree, whether they are justified by reason or changes in the stars. You can also watch a video that is partisan, agree with some of it, disagree with some of it without attempting to generalise that person's views as totally correct or incorrect...most people are not totally correct or incorrect all the time (ofc, this notion of truth is something that authoritarian govts fundamentally disagree with, having a monopoly on objective truth is a source of political and cultural control).

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Cyrus Janssen, Daniel Dumbrill, Geopolitics In Conflict, Carl Zha, Brian Berletic.

I’ll add these to my sources, thanks.

Cyrus was recently exposed as paid by CGTN.

Dumbshill recently posted a clip of an old video of laowhy86, “exposing” him as a racist… which turned out to be taken extremely out of context and edited to be purposely misleading.

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I don't think the situations are similar. Peng is not a dissident, she's a tennis player. And Assange has not been erased, his trial has been covered even in the mainstream media. The real difference, as the old story goes, is in the quality of the propaganda. The west has managed to convince its people that Assange is a bad person, a rapist even. Whereas China has not managed to convince many of its people that Peng…

People think Chinese propaganda is clever and insidious but in truth Chinese propaganda is extremely clumsy to the point of being essentially harmless in the west. This is the typical level of Chinese propaganda: https://twitter.com/manyapan/status/1454346638596743173

> being essentially harmless in the west.

Is their aim to be harmful in the west? My impression has always been that they’re pretty ambivalent about that, they’re more concerned with the internal effect.

I don’t know that people even do think Chinese propaganda is clever! In my mind their skill is overarching control over communication. It’s dumb and brute force but it seems to work.

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He is actually very clear on that. He is anti-CCP. China != CCP

The CCP has some 100,000,000 active members and >90% domestic approval rate. You simply cannot decouple it from "China" in any meaningful social, political, or economic manner without resorting to boring Orientalist/"white savior" narratives.

> >90% domestic approval rate

I always wonder about these kinds of numbers. Who's asking, and how are they asking? And is there an element of coercion involved?

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