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What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Post by pphysch »

AlexandrB wrote: post #53
pphysch wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) Peng is represented by a deep faked body clone while she rots in a See See Pee blacksite. b) Washington media is blowing literally any scandal out of proportion in a propaganda blitz aimed at tarnishing Beijing 2022. Occam's Razor, anyone?

It's funny, I tried applying Occam's Razor and was not able to find the simplest conclusion. Especially since in (b) "Washington media" should actually read "WTA and the women's tennis community".

Please don't disingenuously pretend that you or 99% of the people unseriously frothing over this scandal are subscribed to WTA newsletters, and did not first hear about it from your corporate media sources.

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Post by adriand »

boomskats wrote: post #42

I am not trying to defend China or the CCP in any way here, the situation is not defensible. However, I'm surprised that more comparisons haven't been made to the way the West has erased Julian Assange, and how easily he disappeared from our collective consciousness.

That's not an analogous situation. This is virtually identical to #MeToo cases in the West. For many years, those were also swept under the rug, but the situation now, while still mixed, does seem different.

A closer analogy would be the accusations that were made against Bill Clinton. Those would (presumably, and hopefully) be dealt with differently today than they were at the time, but to echo your sentiment, it is a bit amnesiac to point fingers at China for behaviour that the West (or perhaps just some Western countries) has just barely started to change.

One difference is that rather than censorship, allegations of sexual abuse by the powerful have long been simply ignored by the police, judiciary, media, etc., rather than censored. The end result was much the same.

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Post by rectang »

guscost wrote: post #50
pphysch wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

laowhy86 is about as reliable a source on China as Alex Jones on Sandy Hook. Bottom of the gutter grifting.

Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?

When weighing pphysch's media recommendations, consider that they apparently believe that applying Occam's Razor leads to the conclusion that "Washington media is blowing literally any scandal out of proportion in a propaganda blitz aimed at tarnishing Beijing 2022." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344160

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Post by FooBarWidget »

msoad wrote: post #52

Every time there is a story that criticizes China's Communist Party there is a flood of troll-like comments here in Hacker News. Lot of "What about X" comments and just general trolling and uncivil behavior. As a non-Chinese I never could understand the relationship of CCP, Chinese nationals and Chinese immigrants in the US and West. To me, it seems very hyocritcal to live in the Western societies and be very pro-CCP…

Ah yes fellow Chinese are bad at explaining to westerners. As a more westernized Chinese who started researching west-vs-China differences a few years ago, I could help you better understand -- if you are open minded enough and willing to change some of your views. Are you in? If so ask me anything, either here or in private.

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Post by adriand »

chongli wrote: post #62
rectang wrote: post #6

> With the Winter Olympics opening in Beijing in February, the IOC and corporate sponsors have multi-billion-dollar reasons to help China make the Peng Shuai story go away. Therein lies a bleak lesson. The WTA has been brave in challenging China, given that it has organised lucrative tournaments there. But as a women’s sports association, it depends on retaining the confidence of women players. Sometimes there are in…

It is remarkable but it shouldn’t be surprising. As the article says, the WTA is a women’s sports association and arguably the most successful one in the world. If the WTA caved to pressure from China then they would rightly be vilified in the west for betraying women. There is no way they could ever do that and get away with it!

Perhaps women are also better at speaking truth to power.

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Post by zarzavat »

boomskats wrote: post #42

I am not trying to defend China or the CCP in any way here, the situation is not defensible. However, I'm surprised that more comparisons haven't been made to the way the West has erased Julian Assange, and how easily he disappeared from our collective consciousness.

I don't think the situations are similar. Peng is not a dissident, she's a tennis player. And Assange has not been erased, his trial has been covered even in the mainstream media.

The real difference, as the old story goes, is in the quality of the propaganda. The west has managed to convince its people that Assange is a bad person, a rapist even. Whereas China has not managed to convince many of its people that Peng is a bad person, rather they are simply crudely prevented from talking about the issue online. The west is much much better at propaganda than China.

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Post by pphysch »

rectang wrote: post #73
guscost wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?

When weighing pphysch's media recommendations, consider that they apparently believe that applying Occam's Razor leads to the conclusion that "Washington media is blowing literally any scandal out of proportion in a propaganda blitz aimed at tarnishing Beijing 2022." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344160

Now why would I think that?

> When the Chinese do it, it’s propaganda. When Washington does it, it’s “investing in our values”. The last phrase is taken from the Strategic Competition Act of 2021, newly passed by the United States Senate and will soon become law. It aims squarely at China and enjoys bipartisan support.

Surely no trusted journalist would publish objective nonsense for a slice of that $300,000,000 propaganda budget created by the SCA21?

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Post by guscost »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #65
guscost wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?

Cyrus Janssen, Daniel Dumbrill, Geopolitics In Conflict, Carl Zha, Brian Berletic.

I’ll add these to my sources, thanks.

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Post by throwaway_sb666 »

zjyeung wrote: post #54
spinny wrote: post #34

I wonder if the readers/commenters realize there is a massive blackout about this in China. All this propaganda is directed at us. check Laowhy86's video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dc4tNY7S6Q

I wouldn't trust Laowhy86's videos on topics about China. His channel is very clear on anti-china progaganda.

His channel is clearly anti-CCP. He's married to a Chinese woman, and I believe genuinely loves China.

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Post by guscost »

rectang wrote: post #73
guscost wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, do you have any recommendations for uh, China analysis YouTubers?

When weighing pphysch's media recommendations, consider that they apparently believe that applying Occam's Razor leads to the conclusion that "Washington media is blowing literally any scandal out of proportion in a propaganda blitz aimed at tarnishing Beijing 2022." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29344160

Eh, I don’t really care which username recommends things on the internet, I care about finding more sources to expand my understanding.

pphysch’s sources could very well be garbage, but I can decide that for myself.

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