Rust Moderation Team Resigns

Post by canaus » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

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I wasn't familiar with Curtis Yarvin, but in looking him up, you can't be serious, right? >Yarvin's online writings, many under his pseudonym Mencius Moldbug, convey blatantly racist views. He expresses the belief that white people are genetically endowed with higher IQs than black people. He has suggested race may determine whether individuals are better suited for slavery, and his writing has been interpreted as su…

I am completely serious. Curtis Yarvin is a bellwether - the sort of person that any group that starts excluding people for ideological disagreements, would probably exclude first precisely because his position is so problematic. So any group that accepts his technical contribution can obviously be trusted to tolerate any less-severe ideological disagreement. Conversely, any group that doesn't, especially when they h…

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

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rust-throwaway1 wrote: post #548

I'm inclined to believe the rust moderation team even though they haven't disclosed any specifics. The way the core team exercises absolute authority in spite of community complaints has always rubbed me the wrong way. They present a facade of caring while crushing dissent. I do not recognize most of the core team these days, but Steve Klabnik and Ashley Williams stand out as likely culprits. I have personally submit…

None of the links you have provided shed any light because it's all deleted comments. Would you mind elaborating on Ashley Williams and her supposed "racism, sexism and antagonism"?

Post by pyrale » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

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I expect our contributions to the community would be improved by less information. When you're resigning from a position but you don't want to say why, you're supposed to gesture vaguely at personal obligations or career opportunities and leave it at that. "You guys should be mad, but we won't tell you why" makes it impossible for the organization to function. How can the core team lead the project or even appoint ne…

Exactly, this throws a giant spanner in the works and casts a shadow over whatever comes next. If they wanted to damage Rust in the eyes of the general public they couldn't have done a much more effective job. The lack of maturity on display must be particularly galling to those that give up a substantial chunk of their time to move Rust forward. Dirty laundry is best kept in-house, lest you damage the house.

Post by worik » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

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Counterexample: Linux, GCC, Python, and practically the entire free software ecosystem from before the current crazy for hall-monitory-y supervision from above. It is simply demonstrably, factually, clearly not true that a growing community needs the kind of structures that Rust imposed on itself. It really makes me sad that a certain kind of person these days sees some kind of censorious overlord as essential for th…

> Zero people in the real world avoided using the Linux kernel because Linus was brusque. Actually, the best example of a project where the leadership of the project was so toxic as to drive away potential contributors would probably be glibc under Ulrich Drepper, which got so bad that most distributions abandoned glibc for the eglibc fork. (See https://lwn.net/Articles/488847/ for a high-level discussion).

Post by staticassertion » Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

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> with people putting time into thinking about how a community should work The sort of people who try to intentionally "plan" (I.e. socially engineer) community dynamics do not have a great historical record of actually creating good communities. History is littered with failed inorganic communities - from cults and communes to web forums with overzealous mods. Not saying that's necessarily what happened here, just t…

> people putting a lot of thought into how to control/manage a community might be more of a negative sign than a positive one. A counterexample is Hacker News itself. We all like Hacker News (presumably, otherwise we wouldn't be here) and it wouldn't be what it is without the intentions of the original creator and the current moderation team.