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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by kcplate » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 2:42 AM UTC

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

> I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies.

The Jewish people are a convenient folk devil and frankly have been for a millennia. Historically they have always been a small relatively closed population with influences that tended to exceed their population size. That makes a good target to deflect hate to when folk in power need to distract their populace away from themselves.

Personally I think Israel’s restraint is remarkable.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by sershe » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 4:16 AM UTC

clavicat wrote: post #96

smitty1e wrote: post #92

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But...the Israelis have deep roots in the Levant, as evidenced by a certain book of note. The 'colonial' argument rings hollow.

That is like saying that the Greeks would be justified in invading Turkey and annexing Istanbul and all of Eastern Anatolia because they had an ancient presence there and that their domination over the subjugated Turks wouldn’t constitute colonialism. Attempts at ethnic revanchism based on where humans once lived thousands of years ago is weird, creepy shit. It’s creepy when Hitler did it, and it’s creepy when you do…

Well, going by that logic, now that Israel is where it is, does somebody else's "ancient presence there" matter?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by systemvoltage » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 4:28 AM UTC

trasz wrote: post #177

systemvoltage wrote: post #176

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One of the problems of woke ideology is the ostensible moral superiority they display over others to push their agenda. Arrogant, intolerable and incorrigible. In their mind, they are righteous and everyone that is not onboard is evil. Sounds familiar?

I'm pretty sure antivaxxers are saying the same about educated folks.

I think the antivaxxers are largely a group of people that have not looked at the data but instead following Twitter and FB, they're skeptical because everyone around them at the dinner table and office table is. But, there is a whole group of provaxxers that just don't want to give into the Government overreach which many nations have clinched on during this pandemic. This group gets into the crossfire - they have a point.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by b112 » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 8:01 AM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #76

b112 wrote: post #45

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I don't believe refusing to work due to a company's politics, is viable protected status. Nor is protesting the company you work for. Or, even in most cases showing the company in a bad light. The current trend will change, 100%. Hands down, there's feast and famine, regardless of the job. On top of that, there are raises, promotions, and opportunities. I guarantee you, those getting the best raises, opportunities, t…

> I don't believe refusing to work due to a company's politics, is viable protected status. Nor is protesting the company you work for. Or, even in most cases showing the company in a bad light. I do not think anyone claimed it is a protected status. > Note, I'm not saying that one shouldn't take ideological stances, just that people are living in a fantasy land, if they think it won't effect them. I do not think the…

Some seem to think they have some protected status, though, from the way they talk.

That said, anonymous signatures mean basically nothing. Literally, those three could have just decided to slap 10 or 1000 anonymous signatures on a doc.

"I agree to protest in a way where no one can even tell if a real person protested, and I have zero personal stake in it" doesn't seem like a strongly held position / belief.

Of course, those anonymously signing may realise what I said in my prior post...

Ah well.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by null_deref » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 11:35 AM UTC

ido wrote: post #90

null_deref wrote: post #79

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A lot of Jewish people see Judaism as both nationality and religion.

I'm Jewish myself. A more precise phrasing is "both an ethnicity and a religion". Judaism isn't a nationality (there isn't a "Jewish Nation" all Jews belong to - there is Israel but not all Jews are Israelis). Although there is a lot of both zionist and anti-semitic (different people) arguments that like to confuse them (Jews=Israeli) for political reasons.

I understand what you're saying, but I beg to differ. Yes Jew doesn't equal Israeli, and from my understanding most non-religous Jews outside of Israel do not aspire to build a Jewish "Home" like Israel (A political entity which will also include a physical territory for the Jewish people), but as a former Jew of faith I know each orthodox religous jew across the world prays 3 times a day and in each and every holiday about the hope to build a Jewish homeland again in Jerusalem with the Temple in it. With that being said, I think all the religous jews are definitely a nation, becuase they're ethnic group that hope to achive politcal establishment for themselves (or they're not hoping but already happy with what they have).

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 7:44 PM UTC

mysecretaccount wrote: post #58

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

If you genuinely want to understand criticism of Israel, the Wikipedia article for Israel is a good starting place. I am not being flip or sarcastic – you are repeating a lot of nationalist propaganda and may benefit from a different perspective.

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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by joelbluminator » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

_3u10 wrote: post #59

throwntoday wrote: post #29

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Yeah israel has a great human rights record if you ignore their treatment of palestinians and other minorities.

I was looking for an objective measure. Obviously Israel is not perfect, but is there any metric on which a country in the middle east beats Israel? Like surely there's some microstate that at least has a functioning democracy, gay rights, religious freedom, etc? Perhaps Iraq post-invasion?

It used to be Lebanon in the 70s. But yeah thats long over. I think Baharain is the closest to being a democracy in the ME after Israel

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by joelbluminator » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 7:59 PM UTC

mam4 wrote: post #158

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #155

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That’s complete nonsense. It wasn’t true even in the 70s-80s, at the height of the Israeli nationalism.

I guess my friends living in Israel lied to me then. Edit: for precision they said it was like that for many small business who look for seasonal guys like waiters ..

Maybe not lied just exaggerated to impress you. There may be hidden bias but no army service is not mandatory in 50% of the economy. In fact 50% of Israelis dont finish the whole military service or even begin it.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by ido » Sat, Nov 06, 2021, 8:23 PM UTC

null_deref wrote: post #185

ido wrote: post #90

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I'm Jewish myself. A more precise phrasing is "both an ethnicity and a religion". Judaism isn't a nationality (there isn't a "Jewish Nation" all Jews belong to - there is Israel but not all Jews are Israelis). Although there is a lot of both zionist and anti-semitic (different people) arguments that like to confuse them (Jews=Israeli) for political reasons.

I understand what you're saying, but I beg to differ. Yes Jew doesn't equal Israeli, and from my understanding most non-religous Jews outside of Israel do not aspire to build a Jewish "Home" like Israel (A political entity which will also include a physical territory for the Jewish people), but as a former Jew of faith I know each orthodox religous jew across the world prays 3 times a day and in each and every holida…

That sounds like a stretch to me but to each their own...

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by MiguelX413 » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 9:50 AM UTC

swarnie wrote: post #135

MiguelX413 wrote: post #125

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what does META mean?

Meta Platforms, Inc The name Facebook are now using to distance themselves from insurrections, mental torment and the occasional genocide.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, its full capitalization made me think it was an abbreviation a la FAMANG. Thank you.