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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by estomagordo »

rvz wrote: post #12

Don't like it? Leave and don't work there. Simple. You are free to leave if you do not like the direction of where the company is going. Google won't change and they don't care either because not only they are on the side of profit, they know that the employees will continue to stay because of the six-figure salaries and stock options package. It's already been admitted.

This makes it sound as if "leave" or "like it" are the only available options. I don't see why "try to change the company from within" couldn't be a third option. Now naturally, you might have reasons to think this is naive, but other takes on that are possible.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by mysecretaccount »

JanSt wrote: post #67
mysecretaccount wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you genuinely want to understand criticism of Israel, the Wikipedia article for Israel is a good starting place. I am not being flip or sarcastic – you are repeating a lot of nationalist propaganda and may benefit from a different perspective.

Can you give some more specifics?

I recommend checking out the disparity in terms of casualties and general suffering this year alone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_...) and working backward. This talk (https://youtu.be/MON2HL02mec) of Norman Finkelstein is also a solid introduction.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by praptak »

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

"Ten Myths About Israel" by Ilan Pappé has a pretty matter-of-fact explanation of the criticism.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

azinman2 wrote: post #17

The article doesn’t really explain exactly what the project is. Anyone know?

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/google-aws-win-12... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-google-and-amaz...

There is probably more to it than what is being said. Secure storage is a rather generic service. If these workers are agaisnt it, there should be something more.

But by the looks of it, Microsoft doesn't have a problem were google to drop the contract.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by jmnicolas »

desi_ninja wrote: post #27
keewee7 wrote: post #18

Google, Amazon etc. already have contracts with other authoritarian governments like Qatar, Singapore, India and Indonesia. So what is the problem with cooperating with Israel?

Who the fck thinks india has authoritarian govt ? India has multiple news portals being harshly critical of govt 24x7 and enjoying viewership, ads and even govt ads. Is that a feature of one ? Which echo chamber news source you are referring ?

The fact there are criticism in the press doesn't mean the government isn't authoritarian.

The way I see it, authoritarian means they can pass any laws they want without an effective resistance against them.

I'm not speaking specifically about India here since I don't know much about the country.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by mysecretaccount »

voz_ wrote: post #78
mysecretaccount wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do not think the wikipedia article will change my mind much. We agree on this point, but perhaps it will encourage good-faith research for someone reading this thread that has not bought into apartheid propaganda.

Thanks for accusing me of that. In what way is at an apartheid? There is no systematic discrimination based on race in Israel. I cannot say the same for other countries, esp when it comes to Jews.

Hey, neither of us is going to change the other's view here, so it is not useful to go back and forth like this. If you wanted an answer to that question you could look it up, like I have looked up the arguments and counter arguments to the apartheid question.

What is interesting is that the tide is turning and your view is becoming less common, especially among the youth in developed nations, particularly Ireland. This is good news, for the well-being of Israelis and Palestinians alike.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by clavicat »

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

Notice how your defenses of Israel are identical to the colonial regimes of old. We’re progressive and secular and advanced and humane, not like those terrorist savages who attack us for no reason. The rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of the French justifying their hold on Algeria, or the Japanese over Korea, or the white settler regimes of Africa, or China over the Uighers.

If you need it spelt out for you, it’s very simple: Israel is a settler-colonial project in a world where settler-colonialism is seen as immoral and illegal. You’re not supposed to subjugate and dispossess other peoples, even if you bring them the benefits of an advanced civilization.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

b112 wrote: post #60
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

But unlike every other nation on Earth, they took over land belonging to others! In case people don't notice, that's extreme sarcasm. Every nation on Earth has taken over others, just look at the native peoples of every country in North and South America, of Nordic Countries, Australia. Look at how Europe's borders were re-written 1000 times. Africa. The Middle East. If the beef is (and it seems to be for some) that…

A problem is Israel is still expanding. Even the US discourages their building of new settlements in the west bank. I fear that if left alone they will kill all Palestinians who opose.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by ido »

null_deref wrote: post #79
ido wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arab isn't a nationality (neither is Jewish), and if you read further they explained they mean "Jewish background".

A lot of Jewish people see Judaism as both nationality and religion.

I'm Jewish myself. A more precise phrasing is "both an ethnicity and a religion". Judaism isn't a nationality (there isn't a "Jewish Nation" all Jews belong to - there is Israel but not all Jews are Israelis).

Although there is a lot of both zionist and anti-semitic (different people) arguments that like to confuse them (Jews=Israeli) for political reasons.

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