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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by _3u10 » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

genocidicbunny wrote: post #52

voz_ wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has palestinians and arabs as part of its government, and they can get citizenship and full rights. Is the reverse true anywhere else in the middle east? Can Jews get citizenship and participate in government in any middle eastern country?

Except the ones that live in Gaza and the West Bank, right? And just because they have some representation in government, doesn't mean they don't get treated as second-class citizens.

Those are now different countries. Most countries require you to be a citizen to be elected to its government.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by totetsu » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

You know I've never once had to drop leaflets before bombing anyone..

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

I love that the contract has a clause preventing them from withdrawing in case of boycotts. Not that it was necessary to have it, that's really awful, but that they found a way to deal with those modern overbearing employees. If it works out, of course.

I feel that is the real HN worthy content of the article - a hack for contracts to deal with modern activism.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by systemvoltage » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

m0zg wrote: post #3

Nowadays I take a look at the person's Twitter after reading their resume, just to see if they'd be more trouble than they're worth. I've passed on several candidates over the past few years because of the utterly imbecilic stuff they posted online. Why Google is not doing the same is a mystery to me. They already run background checks, and political affiliation, for better or worse, is not a protected class. Go be a…

I miss the 90's Silicon Valley. Laser focused on innovation and mostly liberatarian. I would kill to go back and rewind time.

Currently, this place feels totalitarian on a cultural level. Can't express diverging views. Can't think from the fundamentals and seek truth. Can't criticize the person next to you. The game everyone seems to be playing is who is more woke than the person next to them. This whole thing escalates with no checks and balances. A total relentless wokefest. I am fine with talking about social issues but it is impossible with these people. Activism, it's not as President Obama said just this year.

This is on the front page of NYT right now. That's how bad it has gotten: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/california-math-curric...

I will be voting for anything but the current situation.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by underdeserver » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:08 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #24

underdeserver wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe to Americans it is. To everyone else, including Israelis themselves, it's a completely separate entity.

Mate, we're talking about Google. Edit: Google employees are largely based in US and I am talking about the zeigeist of what Israel means to most of these employees. They know zilch about Israel but have made up their partisan minds.

Umm what

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by DeWilde » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:08 AM UTC

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

That is all true, of all the countries in the ME Israel is probably one of the few that I would live in.

However, most of the criticism, at least the one that isn't "kill the Jews" type, comes from Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the apartheid-like conditions that are there. There you can't talk about Hamas and the rockets killing children because there are none as Israel is in full control of the area.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by JanSt » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:08 AM UTC

mysecretaccount wrote: post #58

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

If you genuinely want to understand criticism of Israel, the Wikipedia article for Israel is a good starting place. I am not being flip or sarcastic – you are repeating a lot of nationalist propaganda and may benefit from a different perspective.

Can you give some more specifics?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by voz_ » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:09 AM UTC

mysecretaccount wrote: post #58

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

If you genuinely want to understand criticism of Israel, the Wikipedia article for Israel is a good starting place. I am not being flip or sarcastic – you are repeating a lot of nationalist propaganda and may benefit from a different perspective.

I lived there for a bit. During that time, I volunteered at a refugee camp for Palestinians. My sentiment was shared by a good number of them. The unified thread there is a hate for Hamas.

I know you didn't know that, but with that in mind, I do not think the wikipedia article will change my mind much.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by hyproxia » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:09 AM UTC

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

I assumed you're serious at first. Poe's law strikes again

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 8:09 AM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #5

These employees shouldn't have a privileged voice in international politics. It isn't at all fair, whether or whether not people agree with their stance.

Everybody can of course say what they want and thus have a voice. The question is who listens to them. Media loves such stories, and management will think about how to react. The activists won't automatically get what they want.

Even if they cave in now, I think companies will soon get tired of that kind of thing, and move towards a "never negotiate with terrorists" type of approach.