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Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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post #7

I wonder what level of cognitive dissonance one must live with to work for a surveillance capitalist company while constantly taking activist stances against which customers that company works with.

If you work, socialize and live with the same set of people then this cognitive dissonance becomes easy.

Group reinforcement is a hell of a drug

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#32
Regardless of your stance on the subject, anyone else thinks this phrasing feels really...off?

"Several of them renounce the anonymity of the petition and at the same time reveal their Semitic nationality."

I have never heard Israeli citizenship being described that way, and later in the article they explain it doesn't even mean that but "Jewish background" which somehow makes that phrasing sound even worse?

EDIT: my problem is with both Semitic and nationality.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#33
post #18

Google, Amazon etc. already have contracts with other authoritarian governments like Qatar, Singapore, India and Indonesia. So what is the problem with cooperating with Israel?

> authoritarian governments ... India

Lol... if anything, Indian government is too liberal. Comparing it with Qatar/Indonesia is ignorance, or intentional misinformation.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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post #3

Nowadays I take a look at the person's Twitter after reading their resume, just to see if they'd be more trouble than they're worth. I've passed on several candidates over the past few years because of the utterly imbecilic stuff they posted online. Why Google is not doing the same is a mystery to me. They already run background checks, and political affiliation, for better or worse, is not a protected class. Go be a…

this is actively harmful for a democratic society. Raising your voice is the way to influence societies action. The economy is part of society and governed by its rules and thoughts. There would be no environmental laws without environmental activist, civil rights laws without civil rights activist etc. Ignoring this means ignoring the political side of you economic actions, but companies don't operate in a political…

When recruiting you would notice if someone had a SS tatto on their face, if they did I suspect it would bias your impression of them. Its no different to somones public comments on social media.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#35
post #6

It’s hard to think of a country in the Middle East with more rights and freedoms or a better human rights record. I know I’ll get a lot of downvotes for saying that, but what I’d like is an objective measure on which another country in the area beats Israel

Yeah israel has a great human rights record if you ignore their treatment of palestinians and other minorities.

Israel has palestinians and arabs as part of its government, and they can get citizenship and full rights. Is the reverse true anywhere else in the middle east? Can Jews get citizenship and participate in government in any middle eastern country?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#36
I notice how whenever there is anything remotely negative about israel on HN or reddit, the shills come out. The script is always the same (only democracy in the middle east, our greatest ally, the US gets more from them than the other way around, etc.)

At this point I have to wonder if JIDF are real and not just a 4chan meme or these are some advanced GPT-3 sockpuppet accounts.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#37
post #18

Google, Amazon etc. already have contracts with other authoritarian governments like Qatar, Singapore, India and Indonesia. So what is the problem with cooperating with Israel?

Neither Qatar, Singapore, nor Indonesia occupy foreign lands. Your comment is based on a false assumption.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#38
This phrasing in the article’s summary is problematic:

“Several of them renounce the anonymity of the petition and at the same time reveal their Semitic nationality.”

Asserting “Semitic nationality” is part of an old trope that Jews are themselves a nation that transcends boundaries and do not abide allegiances to where they live.

It shouldn’t even matter at all whether they’re Jewish and protesting cooperation with Israel. It doesn’t make this stance any more credible.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#39
post #5

These employees shouldn't have a privileged voice in international politics. It isn't at all fair, whether or whether not people agree with their stance.

Do you mean:

“We were only obeying orders?”

People move from job to job now, if they have qualms it adds impetus to move on to a new job.

Some move on voting with their feet, others may be more active wanting to sway a company’s direction.

Top down vs bottom up, you can’t lead if there’s no one following.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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post #6

It’s hard to think of a country in the Middle East with more rights and freedoms or a better human rights record. I know I’ll get a lot of downvotes for saying that, but what I’d like is an objective measure on which another country in the area beats Israel

Saying that your country has the best human rights record in the Middle East is like saying your country is the richest in Africa. Just because it is true doesn't mean it is good.
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