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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by joelbluminator »

bobbybabylon wrote: post #170
joelbluminator wrote: post #150

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Where do you live? I just wonder real hard how the Danes/Canadians/Americans would have fared if they were in Israel's shoes. Considering history I'd say no that great. It's much easier to virtue signal from your comfy neighborhood in Western country X though, where your biggest enemies are Republicans.

Jamaican in Jamaica - and proud of it. And I'm sorry - who is threatening Israel again? - Iran so much as tests a proper implosion-type, they get nuked. - Syria is a mess, and was never capable of touching Israel (see Bekaa Valley). Same with Iraq. - Egypt has been Camp Davided - The Gulf Monarchies are Israel allies and customers, Jordan included. Yeah. Tough neighbourhood. No wonder they have to be extra sadistic t…

Iran circled Israel with around 100K + missiles and rockets, some are precision guided. They are in Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Shiite armies in Syria, Yemen, Iraq etc and Gaza. It's true that things are good with Egypt and Jordan, it doesn't mean things are good in general. I'd say Israel is more threatened than Jamaica but lets not get too personal.. anyway the nature of the threats are different than conventional armies invading like it used to be. Its now about guerillas firing massive amounts of precise missiles and drones to destroy Israeli infrastructure and civilians. I am not sure its better now; it used to be Israeli soldiers who died at wars. For the foreseeable future its gonna be mostly Israeli civilians who are hurt.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by azth »

voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

The way you praise them is so condescending. "western ideals", yes they're so superior they have "western ideals", ideals that trump all other ideals, the best ideals in the world.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by azth »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #95
chuckee wrote: post #73

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> progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. Which other ethno-nationalist states do you laud this way? It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory. - https://web.archive.org/web/20210519103412/https://www.adl.o...…

Afaik lots on non Jewish people live in Israel, including Palestinians. No Jews live in Palestine. So in what sense is Israel the "ethno-nationalist" state? Your article about theEritreans moving to Sweden states "the Israeli government was not part of the initiative".

> No Jews live in Palestine.

Israel is literally occupied Palestine.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #21

I conjecture that companies will start to open up the executive suites to "democratic" means - employees voting for projects, and eventually voting for executives with political packages. Somehow this will be aligned with shareholder voting. It's that or it becomes so frictionless to move from one company to another it won't be worth voting. But I don't see people just leaving activism at home ...

Imagine a typical hierarchical manager. they have a bunch of devleads under them and decide to hire a "senior dev lead".

He could just hire someone on his own. But what if he let the other devleads have a say? What if 51% of them protested at his choice.

Democracy can start small

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by mysecretaccount »

colinb wrote: post #129
qaq wrote: post #106

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I live in Ireland and honestly the topic doesn't come up much if at all.

I live in Ireland and although (((I))) might be more sensitive to it than you, I think it comes up quite a lot. A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. The opinion pieces, letters pages, and of course Reddit were alive with praise for her "bold and courageous stance". This kind of thing comes up every few weeks, at least it doe…

> A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew.

Sorry to be pedantic, but this was not Sally Rooney's decision. As part of the BDS movement, she did not want to patronize an Israeli company that would be handling the translation. Rooney has stated that she has no objection to the novel being translated into Hebrew.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by systemvoltage »

trasz wrote: post #154
sceptical wrote: post #131

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Wokeness is a religion. As such that is fine but why pretend otherwise.

Not a religion, but rather an ideology. It's usually spelled humanism, though.

One of the problems of woke ideology is the ostensible moral superiority they display over others to push their agenda. Arrogant, intolerable and incorrigible. In their mind, they are righteous and everyone that is not onboard is evil. Sounds familiar?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by trasz »

systemvoltage wrote: post #176
trasz wrote: post #154

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Not a religion, but rather an ideology. It's usually spelled humanism, though.

One of the problems of woke ideology is the ostensible moral superiority they display over others to push their agenda. Arrogant, intolerable and incorrigible. In their mind, they are righteous and everyone that is not onboard is evil. Sounds familiar?

I'm pretty sure antivaxxers are saying the same about educated folks.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by Ginden »

keewee7 wrote: post #18

Google, Amazon etc. already have contracts with other authoritarian governments like Qatar, Singapore, India and Indonesia. So what is the problem with cooperating with Israel?

> So what is the problem with cooperating with Israel?

Israel's maleficent behavior towards Arabs produces much stronger emotional response in Western people than misconduct of any other government.

I suspect this has racist undertones - Jews are white, therefore they are judged by higher moral standards than non-white governments. This can also explain why WW2 Germany produces stronger emotional response than WW2 Japan.

Other explanation can be mere exposure effect - Israel heavily interacts diplomatically and economically with European Union and United States.

Though, Google employees protested cooperation with Chinese government - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employe...

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by Ginden »

b112 wrote: post #60
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

But unlike every other nation on Earth, they took over land belonging to others! In case people don't notice, that's extreme sarcasm. Every nation on Earth has taken over others, just look at the native peoples of every country in North and South America, of Nordic Countries, Australia. Look at how Europe's borders were re-written 1000 times. Africa. The Middle East. If the beef is (and it seems to be for some) that…

For me that's argument against glorifying past of your nation (because every state was built on violence and conquest) rather than pro-annexing territories.

Humans genocided other people for tens thousands of years. That's not a good reason to morally justify genocide today.

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