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No, very good. There are European countries that have went full stasi with "papers, please". Leaked private keys are liberation.
Imagine comparing a simple health measure to the Stasi. Some folks on here take individualism to pathological levels.
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There continues to be a dominant mainstream view that whatever Europe does, "we" have to do the opposite because "we" know better. The results are very clear in the infection numbers, with transmission ratio back to 1 and above. It will be a long winter.
No there isn't. England has been mostly doing the same as neighbouring countries so far. It hasn't implemented COVID passes yet because they're pointless. As BoJo pointed out just a few days ago, the pass is meaningless. Vaccinated people get infected and pass it on, and do so at the same rate as unvaccinated people (actually a higher rate in the UK at the moment).
Except it hasn't - on the mainland masks are still compulsory in loads of places, just to start. Look at the infection rates and tell me there is no obvious discrepancy with a straight face.
> COVID passes yet because they're pointless
They are not a medical instrument, they are a policy instrument. They are effectively a push to force the obtuse and obstinate novax constituency, which is still over 15%-20% all over, to get the jab, by forcing them to choose between daily invasive tests and a one-off vaccination. It's basically compulsory vaccination by the backdoor, so that they can hit 90%-95% vax rates.
> Vaccinated people get infected and pass it on,
Not if they keep using masks and hanging around with other vaxed people only. That's why the transmission rates on the continent are where we would expect them to be, and here they are out of control. If you give up all efforts like we've done, of course the virus spreads with or without passes.
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Imagine comparing a simple health measure to the Stasi. Some folks on here take individualism to pathological levels.
Imagine comparing compulsory state mandated injections to the Stasi.
Nobody verified my code so far, they just eyeball the app. So the practical impact of such a leak is probably small, since people will fall for dumb forgeries already.
Airports check it, but other than that...
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Starting with November 15, it will be illegal to employ unvaccinated people. They already can't enter supermarkets or access any "non-essential" services. "simple health measure", you literally need that + a form of ID to leave the home. And I cannot support that.
You need a passport to leave your country. You need a drivers license to drive a car. It's illegal to employ people without a work visa. Relax. Don't pretend this is something new or the end of the world. This is how civilization works, through society making decisions on whats acceptable and what isn't. There's all sorts of sensible restrictions already and this is another one that makes sense.
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It varies widely by country. From personal experience and what I've heard from relatives, at private venues: * Germany: usually quick glance at the QR code * France: usually properly scanned * Sweden: not even planned to be used * Italy: usually properly scanned
Berlin: Seems like most places will actually scan it.
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No there isn't. England has been mostly doing the same as neighbouring countries so far. It hasn't implemented COVID passes yet because they're pointless. As BoJo pointed out just a few days ago, the pass is meaningless. Vaccinated people get infected and pass it on, and do so at the same rate as unvaccinated people (actually a higher rate in the UK at the moment).
> England has been mostly doing the same as neighbouring countries Except it hasn't - on the mainland masks are still compulsory in loads of places, just to start. Look at the infection rates and tell me there is no obvious discrepancy with a straight face. > COVID passes yet because they're pointless They are not a medical instrument, they are a policy instrument. They are effectively a push to force the obtuse and…
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At any rate, I'm curious why you still believe infection rates are linked to policy. There are so many counter-examples by now: for the UK specifically, after it had it's "Freedom Day" and removed masking requirements and other measures cases fell significantly and immediately. Florida got rid of all measures and now has one of the lowest rates in the USA. Studies have been done to measure the correlation between various types of policies and outcomes, always with a null result. Infection rates and policy just don't seem to be linked at all, sad though it is to say.
"They are not a medical instrument, they are a policy instrument"
And the UK already has very high vaccination rates. Well above the levels originally claimed to be needed, especially over 90% amongst the vulnerable, meaning they're pointless both on their face and if you treat them as a form of extra-judicial punishment.
I agree with you that they're actually the latter, but they're presented as a medical instrument by governments. Hence why testing and recovery gets you a certificate. If you view them as in reality being mandates that circumvent the judicial system then Europe - a continent that spent much of the 20th century as a basket case overrun with dictators and fascists - is once again lying to its people in the name of totalitarian control. Why on earth should England follow them down that road? It's one that's been walked before, always with horrific ends.
"Not if they keep using masks and hanging around with other vaxed people only"
I think you're just making things up now. No data indicates this that I'm aware of, transmission rates aren't "out of control" once you correct for testing rates and if vaccinated people only stop being infectious when wearing masks (lol) then it's not the vaccines stopping transmission, is it?
Very worrying if true
Great news, just further demonstrates that these systems should never have been built.
Just get your shots. Stop being pricks about it, it's not a big deal.
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> Not from Germany for sure. Is it illegal to name a child Adolf Hitler in Germany? Serious question, not sarcasm.
> Is it illegal to name a child Adolf Hitler in Germany? Not necessarily (from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorname_(Deutschland)#Rechtlic... , roughly translated into English): The law on giving names in Germany is not passed through legislation but is instead the result of customary law and legal precedent/judgements. Exceptions are for example in changing of the given name(s) involving adoption or in the applicat…
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Reduction of infection/transmission is only one endpoint to consider. We also need to consider the overall effect on the quality of healthcare we can expect to receive in a situation where low vaccination rates causes hospitals to be overrun. This is where the line between personal health decisions on whether to get vaccinated or not and what is fair to society as a whole gets blurry. People tend to argue "but what a…
That's a fine argument, but I've never seen a proper quantitative assessement of the risk of hospital over-run with respect to vaccination rates (or in general, frankly). The vast majority of COVID infections are mild or completely asymptomatic, so something like 90% of the hospitalization burden is being caused by 10% of infections. Mandating that some random 20-something year old get vaccinated does not move the ne…