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So you are saying we shouldn’t trust whether others have been vaccinated or not? Or should we fallback to paper cert?
I think you should get vaccinated and then trust that vaccine works (if you’re worried about the virus).
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Personally I think it is unethical not to leak it. Technology is the best way to fight surveillance-oppression.
So you are saying we shouldn’t trust whether others have been vaccinated or not? Or should we fallback to paper cert?
The system therefore has no legitimacy and opposing it is ethically correct.
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Honestly feels completely back to normal here, streets and bars are full of people again, definitely only about 30% still wearing masks. Not endorsing it either way, just surprised how quickly everyone gave up on it here when places in Europe are still implementing passports and requiring scans to enter stores/restaurants.
There continues to be a dominant mainstream view that whatever Europe does, "we" have to do the opposite because "we" know better. The results are very clear in the infection numbers, with transmission ratio back to 1 and above. It will be a long winter.
It hasn't implemented COVID passes yet because they're pointless. As BoJo pointed out just a few days ago, the pass is meaningless. Vaccinated people get infected and pass it on, and do so at the same rate as unvaccinated people (actually a higher rate in the UK at the moment).
https://g.nh.ee/images/pix/1200x0/lYFSVUXJ5XY/1d2e261794d4d3... This QR code proves Adolf Hitler has received 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine. At the moment you can still use the Estonian app to verify this ( https://kontroll.digilugu.ee ). Probably this specific cert will be revoked soon in all the apps. But the cat is out of the bag. Everyone's grandparents will need to do the certificate retrieval dance again, which is…
It (already?) records as invalid in the Italian app.
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I think you should get vaccinated and then trust that vaccine works (if you’re worried about the virus).
That talking point completely ignores the dynamics of infectious disease.
Furthermore while protection against infection/transmission wanes incredibly quickly compared to natural immunity, the protection against severe disease/hospitalization does much less so. Therefore it is quite silly for a vaccinated person with a functioning immune system to be afraid of catching COVID. (This is usually the point in the discussion where people start saying "what about this one super rare immunocompromised person who the vaccine doesn't work well for"...)
So the whole idea of population-level vaccination to stop the spread is absurd on its face. And the real world data only further underscores that (mass vaccination did not stop the 2021 waves, and if anything it seems like vaccination helped briefly prevent some people from acquiring natural immunity due to briefly protection them against infection, which just made the vaccinated population even better substrate when Delta came roaring).
If someone's concerned about COVID, they need to get vaccinated and stop trying to control everyone around them. It's really quite simple. The collectivist benefit of vaccination is poor at best, and has a lot of theoretical concerns associated with it such as https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou.... Whereas the individual benefit wrt mortality&morbidity is a much stronger argument.
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Personally I think it is unethical not to leak it. Technology is the best way to fight surveillance-oppression.
So you are saying we shouldn’t trust whether others have been vaccinated or not? Or should we fallback to paper cert?
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That talking point completely ignores the dynamics of infectious disease.
So do the COVID vaccine mandates, frankly. Relatively short lived (~months) protection against infection, which itself comes at the cost of encouraging vaccine escape variants to become the dominant strain. Furthermore while protection against infection/transmission wanes incredibly quickly compared to natural immunity, the protection against severe disease/hospitalization does much less so. Therefore it is quite sil…
Your whole argument is that vaccination wasn't effective on a population level... because the population was not vaccinated enough. With delta we need to reach 90% (https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-herd-immunity-...), but we got nowhere near that thanks to people wanting to treat a collective problem like an individual one.
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These tyrants would love to hold on to these these digital “covid passports” because it gives them complete control over who can participate in society. They’d be able to exclude people who don’t comply with increasingly invasive protocols. It’s about power. The pandemic technically should already be considered endemic. For example in the USA the vast majority of the population has antibodies, in a significantly high…
Actually getting COVID can cause permanent damage to the heart, lungs and blood vessels of some people, which is thought to be the cause of so-called "long covid" which some people experience.
I don't know that covid is different than other viruses in this regard. It's new, so nobody has childhood antibodies yet like happens with many other viruses, and a lot of people are being exposed for the first time while older and more vulnerable.