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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by krapp »

fleddr wrote: post #114
krapp wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts. For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange. The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The t…

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

> Get over yourself.

LOL. OK edgelord. I can see I'm not going to get an actual conversation from you. Have a nice day.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by throwoutway »

zdragnar wrote: post #55
torben-friis wrote: post #29

As a non American, I must say that I found Chappelle's special to be way too much in the defensive, as if he was preparing for a cancellation that was sure as hell not going to happen. Why would trans people be mad, when he was basically dealing with his duel process on stage about the loss of a trans friend? Then I saw Twitter. Wow. I just don't understand how people can be that mad about something that _they've cle…

It goes something like this: - someone gets offended from clips, or watches the whole thing but dislikes bits they feel can taken out of context - they say it is hateful - everyone who listens to them takes the judgement and runs with it. No need to subject yourself to hateful content when you already know it is - the judgement spreads, and people wanting to feel important add their own (uninformed) thoughts, which a…

I agree with everything you said and have seen it play out on Twitter multiple times. It’s the same as flaming and why Twitter is such an awful place

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #58
AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

ehhh, I watched it and having a trans friend doesn’t give him a free pass just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t I’ve already seen posts from anti-trans folks praising him, and “i’m team terf” memes. I don’t think the material was funny or provocative enough to warrant the validation it’s creating amongst bigots (even if they’re missing the point). He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively…

> just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t

Yeah, funny how the whole "lived experience" thing is only for one side of the culture war.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by staysafeanon »

mkr-hn wrote: post #6
literallyaduck wrote: post #5

If you run a fast food joint and someone leaves during a shift without clearing it first, they are likely to be fired. If they distract the cashier, fry cook and grill and they end up leaving it is likely all of them will be put on "no rehire". It is your right to freely protest, but your company isn't obligated to keep you. Customers have more power than employees. If you don't like what Netflix is doing, stop payin…

This is more like someone being fired because they leaked that one of their coworkers was farting on every burger for laughs.

Except in reality their coworkers weren't farting on every burger, they were just giggling over non-PC jokes, and the camera system confirmed that there was no farting.

Sadly, the employee that leaked/whistleblew is suffering from a mental illness, and they delusionally thought their coworkers were farting on the burgers.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

krapp wrote: post #131
fleddr wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

> Get over yourself. LOL. OK edgelord. I can see I'm not going to get an actual conversation from you. Have a nice day.

He shouldn't have said get over yourself... But I've grown to find anyone who whips out "edge lord" automatically loses the discussion.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

falcolas wrote: post #122
fleddr wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

“You should go kill yourself [insert slur here], loljk” This will always be fine to say since it’s a joke, right? Of course it’s not. Shit being couched as a joke still smells, looks, and tastes like shit.

The problem is, someone will always find offense at something especially once culture teaches them it gives them power over others.

Once you give in to the extreme end, you'll be giving in to more and more and more.

People tried canceling Weird AL bc he said "spastic" in Word Crimes, and that's supposedly ableist.

What's he to do? Tell you its only a joke so you can come back with your retort about "these types of people" for whom it's "always a joke"

Power has been given to the mobs and they keep moving the line and we're at their mercy of what is allowed and not allowed to not only be funny but be said at all

Even more maddening is that this little group of authoritarians spend so much time crying about fascism anytime someone is to the left or the right of the Democratic Party, without having a hard look in the mirror.

All these perpetually offended types weren't mad at Netflix when it peddled a movie that paid preteen girl actresses to twerk and grind on a floor for a film with "a message". But black man hurt fee fees by trying to find a middle ground no less, so let's bring out the tiki torches.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

elgernon wrote: post #113
mkr-hn wrote: post #107

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I've been excited to see a growing movement by indigenous people to reclaim their ancient understandings of identity in general, and gender in particular now that colonizers have lost the energy they had for suppression in past decades and centuries. A lot of it is just gone , but the nice thing about a living culture is it can rebuild and recover and build new concepts in the gaps.

>reclaim their ancient understandings hopefully not the human sacrifice though, there are some indigenous traditions better left in the past

We only talk about the good things the conquered did and the bad things the victors did.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by dazilcher »

mkr-hn wrote: post #108
e40 wrote: post #106

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Before she died she supported Dave, as well. My main point stands: criticism of his special is too vague. It's almost as if many of the critics never watched the whole thing, having formed an opinion about it early on and stopped watching. I watched the entire thing and it is a single piece. There are no standalone jokes in that special. Every single word is in support of the last words he speaks. I even watched the…

I am not discussing or interested in this hypothetical person who hasn't watched it but is still commenting as though they did. To reiterate: >> "You'll understand if I weigh the accounts of trans people who watched it over what you, Dave Chapelle, and the family of a trans person who can't speak for herself said."

Tl;dr: I'm parroting someone else's opinion on a show I didn't watch.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by theklr »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #133
micromacrofoot wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ehhh, I watched it and having a trans friend doesn’t give him a free pass just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t I’ve already seen posts from anti-trans folks praising him, and “i’m team terf” memes. I don’t think the material was funny or provocative enough to warrant the validation it’s creating amongst bigots (even if they’re missing the point). He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively…

> just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t Yeah, funny how the whole "lived experience" thing is only for one side of the culture war.

Don’t do this. Both sides have to stop with generalizations. And both sides have to stop using their handful of [x] friends to represent a non monolithic community. One’s experience doesn’t justify bigoted actions.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

theklr wrote: post #139
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t Yeah, funny how the whole "lived experience" thing is only for one side of the culture war.

Don’t do this. Both sides have to stop with generalizations. And both sides have to stop using their handful of [x] friends to represent a non monolithic community. One’s experience doesn’t justify bigoted actions.

What's bigoted keeps changing and keeps finding or inventing exponentially smaller, to the point of statistical irrelevance, demographics to turn the entire world upside down over

Who can keep up any more? The rules change faster than slang and fashion.

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