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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by micromacrofoot »

da39a3ee wrote: post #111
micromacrofoot wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is basically the “angry black man” defense - just because some people aren’t protesting in a way you approve of doesn’t mean it’s ok to hate the group indiscriminately

I hope this doesn't need saying, but it's the activists I am criticizing -- the majority of whom are not trans. I have no criticisms whatsoever of anyone on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality. But yes, if the activist community fails to disassociate itself from / speak out against radicals who are harming people, then that activist community is going to receive criticism.

it’s not a singular community, there’s no spokesperson - this is like trying to hold “anonymous” accountable… it’s the same old rhetoric people have been using to discredit all activists

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by falcolas »

fleddr wrote: post #114
krapp wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Comedy and fiction are separate concepts. For instance, what we're discussing in this thread is comedy being used in a non-fictional context, which makes your implication that we should be more concerned about violence against fictional characters seem like a comparison between apples and a picture of an orange. The reason no one is up in arms about people getting killed in Squid Game is that it isn't real. The t…

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

“You should go kill yourself [insert slur here], loljk”

This will always be fine to say since it’s a joke, right?

Of course it’s not. Shit being couched as a joke still smells, looks, and tastes like shit.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Graffur »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #58
AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

ehhh, I watched it and having a trans friend doesn’t give him a free pass just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t I’ve already seen posts from anti-trans folks praising him, and “i’m team terf” memes. I don’t think the material was funny or provocative enough to warrant the validation it’s creating amongst bigots (even if they’re missing the point). He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively…

Did you watch it though.. its not about him having a trans friend? He states multiple times he's a feminist and relates to struggles people have in life.

He sides with JK Rowling. That doesn't make him bad.. that makes him sane!

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by fleddr »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #118
fleddr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This very situation shows it's not fine.

the situation where the comedian everyone is mad about is still filthy rich and getting tons of press? working the same as it always has

Rich has nothing to do with it, this is about the freedom of speech, art and comedy.

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Post by kcplate »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #58
AJRF wrote: post #25

I just watched it. I don’t feel like I live in a real world anymore. This whole outrage is manufactured and there are so many resellers. Dave spends the last 15 minutes of the show telling a heartbreaking story of how he made friends with a transgender woman, and invited her to open his show for him, she sucked but then when she was being herself during the show and afterwards backstage she had everyone howling with…

ehhh, I watched it and having a trans friend doesn’t give him a free pass just like the old “I have a black friend” doesn’t I’ve already seen posts from anti-trans folks praising him, and “i’m team terf” memes. I don’t think the material was funny or provocative enough to warrant the validation it’s creating amongst bigots (even if they’re missing the point). He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively…

> He seemingly saw this coming and seemed to be preemptively playing defense the entire special.

Of course he did, the reaction he received was exactly the punchline he wanted out of the whole special. He basically dared people to try and cancel him, and when they dutifully fell in line and created the uproar he predicted would happen, it underscored his entire point about hurting LGBQT+ feelings generating much more societal outrage than committing violence against black folks.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by Graffur »

Omnitaus wrote: post #77
da39a3ee wrote: post #63

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Does "being a TERF" mean that you side with women like J.K. Rowling defending traditional positions on gender debates rather than siding with a minority of vocal pro-trans activists who are deliberately causing trouble and don't represent all trans people? If so then I'm a TERF, my mom's a TERF, in fact all mom's I know over the age of 50 are TERFs. Furthermore pretty much everybody in every non-western country is a…

I am trans. The debate is that I would like to live, and they do not want me to live. Either I'm a human being or I'm not, but framing it as a debate does very little to conceal the violence. Netflix platformed violence which didn't surprise me, what does surprise me is the extent to which people play it off as just jokes or bring out the same tired token minority friend defense

You just proved to everyone that you didn't watch it.

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Post by oceanghost »

torben-friis wrote: post #29

As a non American, I must say that I found Chappelle's special to be way too much in the defensive, as if he was preparing for a cancellation that was sure as hell not going to happen. Why would trans people be mad, when he was basically dealing with his duel process on stage about the loss of a trans friend? Then I saw Twitter. Wow. I just don't understand how people can be that mad about something that _they've cle…

I haven't seen the special because I don't think Chapelle is funny, so I don't know what he said, and I am not defending him.

However, there's a minority of folks who are engaged in this "outrage porn" to score points on social media. They need something to rail against every, single, day.

They don't care about what was actually said. If you take 90 mins to watch the special you might miss the wave of hate you're trying to ride.

It happens on the right and the left (which in the USA are really both pretty right).

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Post by Joeboy »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #121
da39a3ee wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope this doesn't need saying, but it's the activists I am criticizing -- the majority of whom are not trans. I have no criticisms whatsoever of anyone on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality. But yes, if the activist community fails to disassociate itself from / speak out against radicals who are harming people, then that activist community is going to receive criticism.

it’s not a singular community, there’s no spokesperson - this is like trying to hold “anonymous” accountable… it’s the same old rhetoric people have been using to discredit all activists

That'd also go for TERFs (or GC people or whatever), right?

I sort of agree, in that the groups are composed of individuals and it's not entirely fair to hold them responsible for things they didn't personally do. I also think if you see a political community as having some sort of problematic culture it's reasonable to say so.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by CarelessExpert »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #105
CarelessExpert wrote: post #88

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I wrote up a whole reply but yours was flagged and then unflagged and my comment was lost... Anyway, just be aware you have allies. I've just given up participating on HN when these topics come up since it's gotten so utterly polarized and hyperbolic. I typically just flag the article and move on. I assume there's a pretty large silent audience of folks like myself who are simply exhausted by the whole thing and are…

> I typically just flag the article and move on. May I ask why you do this? Do you not think that others would want to discuss/debate/argue about the topic? > borderline conspiracy theories floating around here Do you have an example of one of these? (Genuinely interested in what you mean by this)

> May I ask why you do this? Do you not think that others would want to discuss/debate/argue about the topic?

Because unoriginal political flamebait is off-topic for this site. From the site guidelines:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.

Certainly this story is neither interesting nor new. It's just Sticks and Stones redux.

Given the quality of discussion associated with these topics they actively diminish my experience of HN and make me want to avoid the site.

> Do you have an example of one of these? (Genuinely interested in what you mean by this)

A very common sentiment I see around here and elsewhere is imagining some secret, organized sjw cabal that's out to get people:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28883427

"The context is there is a playground game being played at scale. In order to be accepted in certain circles, one needs to discern who the thought leaders are, display the proper deference to them, and above all adhere to approved talking points. "

I could probably find half a dozen comments in this thread alone expressing similar sentiments.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by fleddr »

falcolas wrote: post #122
fleddr wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No harm was inflicted in the comedy. It was a joke. Jokes can offend. Some people are extremely easily offended, some laugh at the harshest joke at their expense. Get over yourself.

“You should go kill yourself [insert slur here], loljk” This will always be fine to say since it’s a joke, right? Of course it’s not. Shit being couched as a joke still smells, looks, and tastes like shit.

It's not a funny joke, but yes, that too falls in the range of comedy, distasteful and harsh at it is. It's dark comedy. Yet it seems to me you purposefully escalated it 10 levels above the supposed insult in the show.

I play a fair amount of games and pretty much every day I see in chat something like this: "I hope your mother dies of cancer".

This does nothing to me. It doesn't upset me. Because context matters. It's some anonymous kid cowardly saying the nastiest thing they can think of. Which in male to male dialogue means going for the holiest of holiest: their mother.

Who cares? Even if it would offend me...so what? What happens next? Nothing. You don't have a right to not be insulted.

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