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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by mirker »

zokier wrote: post #75
vesinisa wrote: post #23

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This is so infuriating, because this problem has already been solved once. It's called "Hibernation", and was added in Windows 95. This should write your MEM image to disk, power the laptop completely off and allow later restoring where you left when powering your laptop back on. But laptop manufacturers (including Apple) thought it somehow smart to remove true hibernation, and replace it with some botched "deep slee…

Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

I am quite confused. I thought Windows 10 “fast boot” was hibernation and default “shutdown” behavior. I thought Windows 10 startup times were faster because of hibernation shortcutting the real boot sequence.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by elzbardico »

jiggawatts wrote: post #231
cm2187 wrote: post #192

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I noticed that it wakes from sleep for windows updates now, which not only is annoying (Bluetooth devices suddenly waking up too), but windows update often requires intense CPU usage as defender does its dirty things, .net re-JITs, etc.

This is a life-threating design. A high-end "gamer" laptop in a bag powering up unexpectedly could easily catch fire and kill someone. These shenanigans will keep going on until someone dies and a manager or two at Microsoft is sent to jail for criminal negligence.

Now imagine this happening in the overhead bin of a plane.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by [deleted] »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #230
y4mi wrote: post #119

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Why though? My drive can write with up to 3gb/s. I only have 32 gb of ram, so the process should take at most 10s. Generally less, as a lot is usually free.

If your drive is actually capable of sustained 3 GB/s write it would be ~11.5 seconds. However typical NVMe drives are closer to ~2 GB/s sustained which would be more like 17 seconds. (Note GB 8 * 10^9 bits and GiB 8 * 1024^3 bits.) I guess most people have 16 GiB RAM or less though. I'm not sure why an ~10 second wait is too long given that the user intentionally selected hibernate instead of sleep.

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Post by lelandfe »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #272
lelandfe wrote: post #238

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I don’t think 7 years of major OS upgrades and support is really a good example of planned obsolescence…

Why not? Windows 7 for example had a support lifetime of about 10 years. Any red hat release has a support lifetime of 10 years plus another 3 or 4 years of extended support for releases since 2010. I agree that 7 years is not little, but it is not much either.

You’re comparing software and hardware. I can comfortably say that most stock 7 year old laptops would not do well running Windows 10.

But more to the point, it is a true rarity to find manufacturers that provide support that far out for their devices. If we’re bemoaning planned obsolescence, Apple is not the poster boy for it (in my opinion)

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Post by weberer »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

>Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays

Linux too. I have a Dell XPS Developer edition with Ubuntu. When I close the lid, it simply goes to sleep and doesn't wake up again until I tell it to.

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Post by lr1970 »

nosianu wrote: post #254
kblev wrote: post #188

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Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release and Microsoft keeps removing more and more controls. Just a few days ago I spent hours trying to fix the constant wake-ups. This time it was a waketimer set by the StartMenuExperienceHost.exe process! [1] Microsoft already removed the Power Management tabs in Device Manager for most devices (mouse, etc.). They also remo…

> Windows keeps waking up for random things, the problem is getting worse with every Windows release I resorted to removing the power plug from the PC every evening after it kept turning itself on during the night semi-randomly. It was in "suspend to disk" mode, whatever that is in more technical power-save jargon terms, not just "suspend-to-ram". I spent a significant amount of time going through Windows event logs…

Before you put it sleep activate Airplane mode. Hopefully it will disable wake ups.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by hsnewman »

I worked as a consultant for a while, and we needed light fast laptops. My boss once told me that he would blanket his laptop in order to have it fail so he could request a new model. Dell voiding warranties for someone who would do that is perfectly understandable.

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Post by horsawlarway »

rickdeckard wrote: post #280
zokier wrote: post #75

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Hibernation in Windows hasn't gone anywhere. I have a Dell laptop in front of me and it has hibernate in the start menu as normal. Problem is that hibernation is slooow so people don't like to use it

Hibernation is not slow on modern PCs (XPS-15 9500 here), the problem is that Windows 10 can wake the PC from Hibernation at any time, and there's no option in BIOS to prevent that. I chased all the sources using Windows Event-log and "powercfg /lastwake" and then disable each, but it took DAYS to find them all and make sure it now stays in hibernation.

Agree - coming back from hibernation is very fast on these machines (XPS-13 9300 here).

I have Arch configured to hibernate on lid close, and it's only about 8 seconds from lid open to a working login.

It also means I don't lose 5%-20% of my battery each night.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by liminal »

joeberon wrote: post #72
toxik wrote: post #53

The entire fucking point in a laptop is to be portable. If you _have_ to shut it down completely before putting it in a bag, it’s not a laptop as any sane person expects it to have that ability. It’s absolutely astonishing that Dell, Microsoft and friends leave walk over in the laptop industry like this. “Oh we decided users don’t really want to be able to close the lid and go home.” ??????

Not going to lie but Apple have put pretty high standards on what people expect to work with all laptops nowadays, and many OEMs seem unable or unwilling to try to catch up.

I have to charge my Macbook using the port on one side and not the other because its thermal management isn't good.
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