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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by kryptn »

godot wrote: post #511

This got me curious, I feel like if any laptop could allowed for a customized keyboard layout, it would be this one. I'm really yearning for a modern laptop with a keyboard layout that doesn't seem to exist anymore in modern keyboards, something like this [1], where there is a set of 6 nav keys at the upper right corner and a set of full size arrow keys at the lower right corner. If the Framework laptop has an option…

This was my first thought as well, I'd love to see an ortholinear keyboard, and ideally one I could config with QMK. Not sure how likely or easy either would be though.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by freedomben »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #474
RandyRanderson wrote: post #103

Very exciting. Hoping they will make something similar with: . 15 or 16 inch chassis . 4k display (OLED, if possible) . largest battery they allow on an airplane . no keypad . 2x speakers facing up . AMD, if possible . arrow keys as Apple does it . charge a premium for this - ppl will pay it!!! Basically just copy what Apple does but with a little customization. I know this would be difficult but hoping someone from…

It's funny to me that you'd want what I consider one of the worst thing about the Apple keyboard: the arrow keys. Having the half-size up-down buttons means I have far more mistakes on those. Thankfully CapsLock-p and CapsLock-n works as well (I remapped CapsLock to Control of course)

My thoughts exactly. I cursed those arrow keys every day for the 12 months my employer forced me to use a mac. Never did get used to it.

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Post by NotPractical »

herpderperator wrote: post #525
NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

The single-thread performance of the M1 doesn't get close to the competition at its power level, even a year after its release. [0] The top item in the list is the M1, a 10W CPU. The second is an Intel requiring 125W. The highest-scoring i5 also requires 125W, and is 15th in the list. Just a reminder that the M1 MacBook Air has no fan, and is still at the top. When choosing a laptop you of course look are more factor…

Performance of the M1 is indeed impressive, and I don't mean to imply that these CPUs all perform relatively the same. But I have a 2019 Intel MacBook Pro with an i5, and it does everything I need a laptop to do: take notes, browse the web, and do some light programming and gaming (e.g. Minecraft at 60 FPS). It also runs x86 programs directly rather than through an emulation layer (though this will become less and less of a problem as time goes on).

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by leephillips »

amiantos wrote: post #536

This is kind of a weird piece that really doesn't mean anything at all. I understand being in the "honeymoon phase" with a new piece of technology, but I don't feel like Cory is aware that he's doing that here. But there's some signs: He loved Thinkpads originally, but over the course of several years the company and the quality of the product went down the tubes. Now he's got a brand new laptop that he's only had fo…

I did think it odd that he was talking about the durability of a product that he'd barely unwrapped. But his other points seem cogent, and are orthogonal to how long he's used any of the products.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by bambax »

eikenberry wrote: post #498
bambax wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story. Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

You don't quit smoking once. You quit smoking every day. I haven't smoked in >10 years and I'm still quitting. Physical dependence on nicotine takes a long time to recover from.

That's not my experience. I was a heavy smoker for over 15 years (around 2 packs a day); then I quit. It was hard. Extremely hard. In fact I stayed in bed for 2 weeks because I didn't dare stand up and go into the world, and I couldn't think of anything else.

But after the withdrawal symptoms receded, that was that. It was over. I can't even remember what it was that I liked about it.

Of course that's just me, and experiences differ. But quitting smoking is its own reward, and I don't mean physically or health-wise. You're free! You don't need to spend time thinking about where the nearest tobacco shop is and if you have enough change to buy more cigarettes to get through the night.

I would argue that if you need to reward yourself every year for quitting, you didn't actually quit. You stopped putting cigarettes in your mouth, but you're still a "smoker".

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by bambax »

maxerickson wrote: post #509
bambax wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story. Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

Guy should have thought more about what you wanted to read when he wrote the article.

Yeah, it happens often.

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Post by mjhagen »

thinkingemote wrote: post #504
NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

Early adopters, hardcore techies may love repairability but they will buy whatever comes out next. What counts is the majority of buyers after these techies. It's similar the early buyers of a Tesla who could say "ahh it will be so eco I don't have to buy another car for 10 years" and, 3 years later they buy themselves the new model as they would have normally do with a combustion engine car. Consumers first. The key…

It's techies that advice their non-techie friends and family though.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by bambax »

freedomben wrote: post #523
bambax wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story. Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

Have you ever been a smoker?

Yep.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by mike_ivanov »

fouc wrote: post #406
mike_ivanov wrote: post #381

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> arrow keys as Apple does it No. NO!!

poster is probably referring to this: https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/11/16in-macboo... The left, right, and down arrow keys all on one level, and the up arrow key alone above the down arrow key. Makes it easy to find the right key by touch alone.

This is what I need. Not what Apple offers. MacBook arrow keys are unusable.
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