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The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by dixie_land »

NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

The almost square aspect ratio really bugs me. Would have tried it out if not for that

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by deadmutex »

conradfr wrote: post #257
yupper32 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like a MacBook with extra steps. Why not just get a MacBook? What customization do you really need?

Not OP but I would want ... not MacOS ;)

Sounds like you Think different. ;)

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by freedomben »

bambax wrote: post #462
yobert wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read a little lower in the article he mentions it being a reward mechanism for stopping smoking. So each year he doesn't smoke, he rewards himself with a new laptop. Good strategy!

Yeah, this is rationalizing. You don't need to reward yourself every year for something you do once. You quit smoking, you get a reward, end of story. Also, and that's where we differ (and kind of my point): setting up a new computer isn't a reward for me, it's a punishment.

Have you ever been a smoker?

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by clepto »

bavell wrote: post #499
clepto wrote: post #426

I just got one of these last weekend(I ordered it in early August) and so far it’s really great. The modular I/O and general mission of the company was what initially sold me on it, but now actually being hands on with it, I definitely feel secure in my decision to get one. I can’t overstate how good these modular ports are. I also really like that you can bring your own hardware in a lot of cases. For example I had…

Thanks for the report on Arch compatibility!

Might be worth noting, I forgot about this when making my original comment, I wasn't able to get my USB drive for it to boot without disabling secure boot, but secure boot isn't something I care about so it wasn't a problem for me. I've heard it works but I can't comment on the specifics of it.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by herpderperator »

NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

The single-thread performance of the M1 doesn't get close to the competition at its power level, even a year after its release. [0] The top item in the list is the M1, a 10W CPU. The second is an Intel requiring 125W. The highest-scoring i5 also requires 125W, and is 15th in the list.

Just a reminder that the M1 MacBook Air has no fan, and is still at the top.

When choosing a laptop you of course look are more factors than just performance, but for many, that alone will be an extremely important consideration. Not to mention that - incredibly - there isn't even a conventional battery life tradeoff for that top performance. In that sense, the M1 is a no-brainer.

[0] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by canadian_tired »

This is a great leap ahead, and makes me happy. But I would also like to do a shoutout to a local-to-me company that has been around for decades and have always had a decent amount of modularity. https://eurocom.com/ec/main()ec. They have always went the way of more power over smaller size.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by NotPractical »

ricardobeat wrote: post #513
NotPractical wrote: post #492

The baseline, preassembled model starts at $1000. Windows 10 Home, quad-core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB storage, a nice 2256x1504 display, thin and light (1.3kg, 11.7" x 9" x 0.6"). Compare that to your other thin and light options at this pricepoint. XPS 13, $1020 * i5 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 1920 x 1200 display * 1.2 kg, 11.6" x 7.8" x 0.6" MacBook Pro: $1300 * M1 * 8 GB RAM * 256 GB storage * 2560 x 1600 display *…

It doesn't look like a no-brainer to me (already a Mac user). The MBP has a better screen, better battery life, performance, has a metal body, is completely silent and has nicer software. That said, you should get the Air instead which is $999 with almost exactly the same specs, minus the annoying touch bar, and a tad lighter at 1.29kg.

For the record, I also own a Mac: the MacBook Pro, 2019 baseline model. I used to enjoy the battery life (though it has been slowly getting worse to the point where I have considered reaching out to Apple about it since the battery is glued in and I can't replace it myself). I like the metal body. I also like macOS. My MacBook is not completely silent because it's an Intel mac, but the M1 would be, that's true. As far as "better screen", I'm not so sure... on paper, the resolution is nearly the same. I also like the trackpad. But anyway, you need to decide whether these things are worth the complete lack of repairability. As a reminder, your Mac's battery will die at some point, and your Mac will become useless. I'm seriously considering selling my MBP and buying this instead.

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Post by TobTobXX »

fsflover wrote: post #161
TOMDM wrote: post #28

These laptops would be an instant buy from me if I could get a new AMD chip instead of the Intel CPU's.

You cannot neutralize and disable the PSP spying module in AMD processors, while in Intel ones you can do that with ME: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assert... .

There's this great talk from a CCC about reverse engeneering the PSP: Uncover, Understand, Own - Regaining Control Over Your AMD CPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKH5nGLgi08

At 47:10, they mention that they haven't found anything evil. Ofc, this isn't hard proof, but if I trust anyone's answer, then it's theirs. I think the likelihood of it being malicious is nonzero, but small enough that I'd condemn active backdoors into the realm of conspiracy theories.

There's always the possibility of it being exploited by others, but c'mon: Basically ANY other exploit would be way easier to distribute and activate than one in the PSP.

Re: The Framework is the most exciting laptop I've used

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Post by krrrh »

destitude wrote: post #258

Annoys the crap out of me that Apple tries to claim how "environmentally friendly" they are and yet the biggest problem is they make all their computers be disposable and extremely difficult to repair. They've gone out of their way to do this by soldering in memory and SSD, gluing batteries in, etc. Shame on them.

Putting upgradeability aside, Macs typically have longer usable lifespans as evinced by their relatively high resale value. Anecdotally, it's common to find 5-7 year old MacBooks being used by their original owners (I'm typing on one right now), and Apple will offer around ⅓ of the original value on a 5 year old machine as a no hassle trade-in because their refurb partners are able to sell them (you can usually get more selling privately).

It would be nice to see some objective stats on this though.

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