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6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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The last 70 or so years have been the most peaceful in human history. How? The American military and economic hegemony. If you want peace, build more aircraft carriers.

> If you want peace, build more aircraft carriers If you want peace, you should build less aircraft carriers and be more pragmatic about immigration. People around the world are all for the Pax Americana, but only as long as they are granted a shot at the American dream too. Many people in the US are just banking on the luck of being born within the invisible borders. People elsewhere will resent the US and the entir…

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In the world where transportation staff does not need atleast 1d/week day off.

Crazy idea, some employees take certain days off while others take different days off. You know, like how every other critical industry operates operates, and how public transportation works in countries that don't shut it down once a week.

And how it already operates with a shift system, since driving heavy machinery full of people around cities for more than six hours a day is rather dangerous, but people like to be able to get around all day.

All drivers get two days a week off, one of them being their preference for Friday/Saturday/Sunday and the other not.

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War is in part an expression of technological competitive advantage. Nth generation weaponry is expensive because technology requires the best minds, materials, and facilities that money can buy. But what if for the same money, or less, we could buy something even better? How much does peace cost? Has anybody ever costed it? For example, what could $2 trillion have bought in Iraq, Portland, or Jerusalem if it had bee…

If you have something of value and you cannot protect it, someone will take it from you. That is just how the world works. So how will you protect yourself? You cannot just convert eveyone to zen buddhism. You will have to find a way to protect yourself, so you can say: here is the limit that you cannot cross. Peace can only exist when a powerful entity enforces it.

> Peace can only exist when a powerful entity enforces it.

We have this. Certain civilizations can wipe us out at the push of a button.

The players who aren't in that same realm have to hope those that are do the right thing.

Fighter jets aren't going to help.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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War is in part an expression of technological competitive advantage. Nth generation weaponry is expensive because technology requires the best minds, materials, and facilities that money can buy. But what if for the same money, or less, we could buy something even better? How much does peace cost? Has anybody ever costed it? For example, what could $2 trillion have bought in Iraq, Portland, or Jerusalem if it had bee…

Violence is the last recourse of the incompetent.

You'd be surprised how many people don't care about this and are happy to be labeled incompetent, as long as they reach their goals.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Yes. So would drones with crazy ranges, speeds and ability to stop threats.

We have drones with crazy range, speed and ability to stop threats. They are called UAVs and indeed cost millions each.

People don't seem to understand that we mount missiles on expensive jets because jets can travel thousands of miles and must not be shot down before they reach their destination.

When people talk about how they can build lethal drones for $100 or something they assume that you can launch the weapon 3 miles away from the target and that the target has already been spotted.

It's like saying that a million dollars can kill a million people because bullets cost less than $1. Making the bullet is the easy part. You still have to deliver it to the target.

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War is in part an expression of technological competitive advantage. Nth generation weaponry is expensive because technology requires the best minds, materials, and facilities that money can buy. But what if for the same money, or less, we could buy something even better? How much does peace cost? Has anybody ever costed it? For example, what could $2 trillion have bought in Iraq, Portland, or Jerusalem if it had bee…

Si vis pacem, para bellum Military budgets are peace spending. Wars begin when politicians think they can achieve goals easily using arms - see Germany's plans in the World Wars, Saddam's invasion of Iran, Russia's invasion of Ukraine after the 2013 revolution or most wars really. Having strong armed forces and military alliances are an insurance policy against being invaded.

It really depends. When that quote of yours was first being said, essentially the only way for states to expand their power was to invade and occupy more territory. So states that did a lot of that tended to become more powerful, leading to a very warlike normal.

Nowadays, even radically successful wars are very unreliable means for achieving anything, and wars almost never improve a state's economic situation or power. If Germany had not started WW2, but had instead rested on its greater population and industrialization to increasingly dominate regional politics, you'd see a europe like the one we have today, except even more Germany-centric.

Saddam Hussein, Vladimir Putin, and Adolf Hitler are all examples of weak leaders at the helm of fragile states, throwing the dice repeatedly and basically hoping they get a continual role of sixes until their domestic position is secure. Predictably, it basically never works out. There are almost no examples of successful annexations in today's world: gains are typically temporary, and basically never pay for themselves.

So in the world we live in, where war is basically never a sensible strategy for any goal, you can prepare for peace by, you know, preparing for peace - provided that you have no nutso neighbors. In which case, it's worth joining some kind of joint treaty organization. Which is why everybody does this.

PS: A second thing is, it's no use having a ton of outdated equipment. The USSR had a lot of trouble in WW2 because they had been arming up for too long. It's often better to move to a war footing just a few years before things get hairy than it is to keep massive amounts of obsolete weaponry sitting around.

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Cruise missiles are like a million bucks a pop.

A regular guided bomb dropped from a plane is like $250,000 though.The F-35 is forecasted to cost something like $7.8 million per plane per year .

Well, modern guided bombs can follow moving targets, they have become gravity powered missiles. They're worth the money.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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i don't know the future of air fighter but this news remind me of Elon Musk saying the fighter jet era is gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKJ-uS55mhM

The era of infantry has passed and yet we still have infantry.

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As an European taxpayer, I'm certainly concerned that resources are wasted. OTOH, Putin has time and again proved that he's a belligerent crook entirely willing to expand his territory any time his neighbors show weakness. Much as I wish it were different, Europe must be able to mount a credible defense, with or without the USA.

You are surely aware that France and the UK have nukes. That seems like a pretty strong deterrent.

> You are surely aware that France and the UK have nukes.

Only few hundreds, of which much less are deployed, given Vanguard, and Triomphant frequent port calls.

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