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6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

#81

How does a “6th generation” fighter still have a human inside? What’s so generational about it?

The next generation of bullshit military spending? A trillion for Afghanistan and F-35 each . Jeez, what could we have built with $2 trillion in investments? What cool companies, technologies or infrastructure could have sprung from this?

The kind that would be bombed by China if we would not erase the existence of winnie the pooh.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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> The last 70 or so years have been the most peaceful in human history. IRAQ WAR (2003-2011) WAR IN AFGHANISTAN (2001-PRESENT) GULF WAR (1990-1991) VIETNAM WAR (1959-1975) KOREAN WAR (1950-1953) This is ignoring an entire array of coups, rebellions, brutal suppressions and subjugations encompassing basically every country in South America The last 70 years have only seemed peaceful because your the one doing the geno…

Relatively is the keyword here.

It'd be nice if OP used the keyword then instead of needing child commentators with clairvoyance to explain then.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

#83

War is in part an expression of technological competitive advantage. Nth generation weaponry is expensive because technology requires the best minds, materials, and facilities that money can buy. But what if for the same money, or less, we could buy something even better? How much does peace cost? Has anybody ever costed it? For example, what could $2 trillion have bought in Iraq, Portland, or Jerusalem if it had bee…

Agreed, Korea became a proper country because it has recieved more aid than all of africa combined during the cold war

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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> The last 70 or so years have been the most peaceful in human history. IRAQ WAR (2003-2011) WAR IN AFGHANISTAN (2001-PRESENT) GULF WAR (1990-1991) VIETNAM WAR (1959-1975) KOREAN WAR (1950-1953) This is ignoring an entire array of coups, rebellions, brutal suppressions and subjugations encompassing basically every country in South America The last 70 years have only seemed peaceful because your the one doing the geno…

You are surely aware that there were FAR more wars before this. War was basically just a fact of life for most people in most of our settled past.

There have been other periods of global peace caused by domination of a single power, no one else argues that it was a good thing for everyone else involved.

I could try and argue India is now a better place because the period know as Pax Britannica almost gave them the toilet but you'd rightly consider me a mad man.

Do you think any of the places listed above were improved by being turned in to weapon testing ranges?

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Don't be so eager to throw our tax money into this pit.

As an European taxpayer, I'm certainly concerned that resources are wasted. OTOH, Putin has time and again proved that he's a belligerent crook entirely willing to expand his territory any time his neighbors show weakness. Much as I wish it were different, Europe must be able to mount a credible defense, with or without the USA.

You are surely aware that France and the UK have nukes. That seems like a pretty strong deterrent.

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#86

War is in part an expression of technological competitive advantage. Nth generation weaponry is expensive because technology requires the best minds, materials, and facilities that money can buy. But what if for the same money, or less, we could buy something even better? How much does peace cost? Has anybody ever costed it? For example, what could $2 trillion have bought in Iraq, Portland, or Jerusalem if it had bee…

If you don’t have an army, you will get another’s.

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However, I would expect drones to be reusable and not of the self-destruct type like a cruise-missile, so that you get at least those drones back that were not shot down, and/or have them attack more than only a single target.

Sweden has reusable torpedos. Most torpedos can be tested, but Sweden’s are routinely testable and that’s a very different capability. And as the torpedos become more autonomous, they become drones that can act like torpedos if the opportunity presents. Similar parallels can be drawn to the Iranian attack on Saudi refineries recently. The line between cruise missiles and drones blurred. So, yes, there is a move towar…

If I remember correctly, most of the torpedos of the Western Allies of WWII failed. Did not work.

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Cruise missiles are like a million bucks a pop.

Yes. So would drones with crazy ranges, speeds and ability to stop threats.

We have drones with crazy range, speed and ability to stop threats.

They are called UAVs and indeed cost millions each.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

#89

How does a “6th generation” fighter still have a human inside? What’s so generational about it?

The next generation of bullshit military spending? A trillion for Afghanistan and F-35 each . Jeez, what could we have built with $2 trillion in investments? What cool companies, technologies or infrastructure could have sprung from this?

As I understand, that $tn for F35 is projected over the entire lifespan of the program, which is decades in the future. Not the sum they spent on development.

Re: 6th Generation Stealth Fighter: Joint Effort by UK, Japan, Italy and Sweden?

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Sweden has reusable torpedos. Most torpedos can be tested, but Sweden’s are routinely testable and that’s a very different capability. And as the torpedos become more autonomous, they become drones that can act like torpedos if the opportunity presents. Similar parallels can be drawn to the Iranian attack on Saudi refineries recently. The line between cruise missiles and drones blurred. So, yes, there is a move towar…

If I remember correctly, most of the torpedos of the Western Allies of WWII failed. Did not work.

That is true, and there are great documentaries about how the US messed that up so badly.

There was similar lack of faith in the British tigerfish in the 80s.

But generally modern torpedos are expected to work effectively and are tested.

Sweden is leading the way on the dronification of torpedos.

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