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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Can we find out who sent the takedown notice?

This is the part that matters. Anyone can DMCA anything

Anyone is physically capable of sending a DMCA takedown.

However it is supposed to be from the copyright owner [17 USC 512(c)(3)(A)(i)] and if it isn't, it can be ignored [17 USC 512(c)(3)(B)] and makes the person who does it liable for damages [17 USC 512(f)(1)]. Although that's probably pretty hard to use in practice.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction. I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"

So you're saying the tesla self driving capability is on par with humans driving at near their worst in a panic'd sort of circumstance. Great!

Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately.

I’m stunned that it hasn’t, so far as we know, actually hit anything yet. I’m not sure how, but clearly they’re doing something right between choosing drivers and writing software.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#113
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the admittedly not much footage of Tesla FSD (1-2 hours total maybe) I’ve watched, it seems to be roughly on par with a student driver who occasionally panics for no apparent reason.

Petition to label all Teslas with FSD as student drivers. They need a little LED panel that tells you when the driver is using the AI.

I agree - but do you think if they did that the haters would stop hating ?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#114
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You must yield to pedestrian in crosswalk, how far away the pedestrian is does not matter.

But what does "yield" mean? It means slow down, and proceed when it's safe to do so. If a pedestrian starts crossing a 4-lane road and I have time to turn across his path without making him stop or deviate, then I can proceed safely and I think I've met the definition of "yield"

In the state I live in it is illegal to enter a crosswalk when there is a pedestrian in it when the road is undivided as in this example. I find it unlikely that there is any state where it's legal to do so for a one-way street such as this. (There are states that treat the crosswalk as two halves when there is two-way traffic.)

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

There is a "no right turn" sign just before it decides to turn right. Could that have anything to do with it?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#116

Is the car turning right (after a no right turn sign) while it was supposed to be going straight according to nav?

Yes, and that's what makes it interesting in my mind. Where was the car going?

The car probably thought the pedestrian was an emergency vehicle, given the person was wearing a bright red coat and Teslas on FSD have a habit of crashing into them.

To Downvoters: Well it is actually true. [0] and just recently another crash involving an emergency vehicle. [1]

So there is a strange habit with Tesla FSD and red objects in its view. Given those incidents, care to explain why I am wrong?

[0] https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/23/tesla-autopilot-crash-fi...

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-ide...

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Maybe their reinforcement learning algorithm allows for a bit of exploration, and that was one of the very unlikely actions for it to take.

Google Maps will update (prompt first) a route in progress depending on traffic. If you don't notice right away it can be very surprising! At least it's not actually driving the car.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#119

Almost hitting pedestrian is a big stretch. Car had enough time to stop before he took hold. He probably just picked up the wheel because he didn't want the car going that way.

It's barely a stretch. The car veers pretty significantly. The driver and the pedestrian both notice this and wave as a 'sorry'. The car may have stopped, of course we won't ever know, but it's absolutely wrong to say that it was just the wrong direction - again, both the driver and pedestrian acknowledge the aggressive turn.

Car wasn't at a very high speed and if breaks are working normally it would have a lot of time to break before hitting the person. Almost hitting a pedestrian is a big stretch of a title, we don't really know what the car was going to do. Probably there's some logs on the car that will tell Tesla if the car would stop or not, but for the viewer of the video we don't really know.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

#120

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Maybe their reinforcement learning algorithm allows for a bit of exploration, and that was one of the very unlikely actions for it to take.

You do not run reinforcement learning algorithms with a two ton car on the road, unless you are an absolute psychopath.
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