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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by aquadrop » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

stagger87 wrote: post #31

aquadrop wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Car doesn't yield to pedestrians". For "almost hit" I would expect car to run by pedestrian in less than half a meter or for pedestrian having to react quickly to avoid car.

It makes more sense when you realize the car wasn't even supposed to be turning. Look at the nav screen. If this guy didn't take over, where exactly was the car going? I think it's very easy to speculate it wouldn't have ended well.

Yes, it's weird that car decided to turn right. But I don't agree that's it's easy to speculate that it would hit the pedestrians, they were pretty far. I would think some emergency braking would take over or something. We have many thousands of tesla cars out there, lots of people are making videos about autopilot, but I don't think we have an example of a car actually hitting a pedestrian?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by mjevans » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #47

comeonseriously wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! What the heck spooked the "AI"?

Some of the discourse suggested that previously it had had problems with the pillars for the monorail running down the median, and the owner/driver was trying it again to see if it had improved. One of the big limits of this kind of AI is that it does not provide human-legible explanations for its actions. You cannot put it in front of a tribunal.

It takes a jury of peers to interrogate properly.

So, the same / similar data fed to the same / similar algorithms and the state of the code examined by qualified experts (programmers).

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by ChrisKnott » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11.

The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn.

Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have just continued forwards.

I am astounded that software capable of these outputs is allowed on the roads. When could crossing a junction then taking a hairpin right back across it, ever be the correct thing to do?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by parineum » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #59

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

Almost hitting is an exaggeration, but making a right turn while pedestrians have started crossing at an intersection is a 100% incorrect (and likely illegal) action. It's concerning to me that the "full self driving" car cannot successfully handle this very common everyday occurrence.

That's definitely illegal and definitely happens all the time.

Except it usually happens when the pedestrian has already passed the area where you'd turn through or the intersection is enormous and the pedestrian just started crossing the other side.

I'd expect FSD to follow the law in this case though.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

GDC7 wrote: post #21

Can anybody update on who Tesla fans perceive as their mortal enemy right now? First it was big oil, then it was shortsellers, but I found those narratives sort of died out. Who are they beefing with right now?

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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by emn13 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #45

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

Agreed it wasn't close, but it's still not the kind of behavior you'd want to see in a robot car. If I were a passenger in a car where a human driver did this, I would wonder if they were impaired, and I would no longer trust their driving abilities. Tesla's whole selling point is that a) autonomous cars are safer than human drivers b) we are almost there. This clip shows both claims are questionable at the moment.

I wasn't close because the driver was paying absurdly close attention. We can't say if it would have been close or not, but there's certainly no hint the car had a handle on the situation, and it's clear to see it was making some kind of mistake, even if possible a non-fatal one.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by valine » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

This is near the infamous monorail where previous versions of FSD would kamikaze into the giant concrete pillars. Presumably in response to the monorail failure Tesla updated their obstacle avoidance to handle unclassified objects.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1437322712339423237?s=21

From the nav you can see the car is trying to go straight but swerves around some invisible obstacle. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a failure in their new “voxel based” collision avoidance.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by jofaz » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

literallyaduck wrote: post #6

Not familiar with how the autopilot works, but the guy is touch the wheel a lot, is it the car driving, both, or just manual control? If it is just the car, it looks like it was trying to turn and didn't consider the people in the crosswalk. Edit: thanks for the explanation.

In the video there is a steering wheel symbol near the speed that is highlighted in blue. That indicates autopilot is engaged, when the driver turns the wheel to correct the mistake the symbol turns gray indicated autopilot disengaged.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by Jyaif » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

bananapub wrote: post #35

for those unaware (like me), "FSD" is the extremely misleading term Tesla uses to describe their cars as "Full Self Driving".

Technically it is fully self driving, it's "just" that you have a (much) lower chance of arriving safely at your destination than with a human driver.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by joshribakoff » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

I have FSD but not the beta. When cars cut across my lane autopilot will not react for a solid second or so, then proceeds to slam on the brakes after the car is clear. It does not instill confidence to say the least. From my POV it feels like someone put a debounce on the reaction to prevent phantom breaking, to the point the car doesn’t brake when it needs to.