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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by oefrha »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

From the admittedly not much footage of Tesla FSD (1-2 hours total maybe) I’ve watched, it seems to be roughly on par with a student driver who occasionally panics for no apparent reason.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by dgudkov »

josefresco wrote: post #30

"almost hitting pedestrian" It wasn't even close. Look at where the ped is at 12 seconds, compared to the car. It's because he stopped the turn, and straightened the vehicle that the pedestrian stopped and looked up with concern (at 13 seconds). Even if the pedestrian broke out into a full run, they wouldn't have been in any real danger. This sort of close interplay between pedestrians and cars is very common in citi…

>It wasn't even close.

Apparently, it's not what the pedestrian thought.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by adflux »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #88

I think we’re missing the point that this is currently designed for a driver to monitor at all times, the driver intervened appropriately, and thereby provided another training example for the network. This is also a beta version that is being tested by humans who have the legal and moral responsibility for control of the car.

>designed for a driver to monitor at all times

>calls it full self driving

What a joke & GREAT way to mislead customers.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by rvz »

bananapub wrote: post #35

for those unaware (like me), "FSD" is the extremely misleading term Tesla uses to describe their cars as "Full Self Driving".

The correct term is ‘Fools Self Driving’ given its users think that they are driving a ‘fully self driving’ car yet they have to be behind the wheel and pay attention to the road at all times.

Not exactly the FSD robot-taxi experience the Tesla fans were promised. Instead, they got happily mislead with beta software.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by CameronNemo »

mzs wrote: post #80
partido3619463 wrote: post #23

Is the car turning right (after a no right turn sign) while it was supposed to be going straight according to nav?

I did not see a no right turn sign. ed: modeless 1 hour ago >That sign applies only to the lanes to the left of the pillars. It is legal to turn right there from the right lane. I've done it myself. Yes, it is confusing.

Look again. It is on one of the pillars in the median, shortly before the turn.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by ceejayoz »

emn13 wrote: post #66
ModernMech wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed it wasn't close, but it's still not the kind of behavior you'd want to see in a robot car. If I were a passenger in a car where a human driver did this, I would wonder if they were impaired, and I would no longer trust their driving abilities. Tesla's whole selling point is that a) autonomous cars are safer than human drivers b) we are almost there. This clip shows both claims are questionable at the moment.

I wasn't close because the driver was paying absurdly close attention. We can't say if it would have been close or not, but there's certainly no hint the car had a handle on the situation, and it's clear to see it was making some kind of mistake, even if possible a non-fatal one.

Yeah. "It probably can't kill anyone if you watch it like a hawk at all times..." wasn't the FSD selling point.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by mrguyorama »

emn13 wrote: post #76
pjc50 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the discourse suggested that previously it had had problems with the pillars for the monorail running down the median, and the owner/driver was trying it again to see if it had improved. One of the big limits of this kind of AI is that it does not provide human-legible explanations for its actions. You cannot put it in front of a tribunal.

Actually, all kinds of data pertaining to the decision making process is recorded (at least for some of Tesla's competitors, not sure about Tesla), and in great detail. The data is specifically designed to make the AI driver "debuggable", i.e. it includes all kinds of details, intermediate representations, etc that an engineer would need to improve a poor decision, and thus certainly to understand a poor decision. Wh…

You can log and debug the inputs going into the black box, and the outputs, but how do you debug inside the black box?

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by [deleted] »

jorpal wrote: post #83

Basic game theory dictates that if automated driving is seen as too safe, pedestrians will feel comfortable walking anywhere, anytime. Dense downtowns will become completely gridlocked and unusable for cars. Which maybe isn’t a bad thing. But if you want cars in cities you need them to be perceived as dangerous. Yeah I was convinced by Gladwell.

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