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Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by CameronNemo » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

oefrha wrote: post #91

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

From the admittedly not much footage of Tesla FSD (1-2 hours total maybe) I’ve watched, it seems to be roughly on par with a student driver who occasionally panics for no apparent reason.

Petition to label all Teslas with FSD as student drivers. They need a little LED panel that tells you when the driver is using the AI.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by macNchz » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

taneq wrote: post #77

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

On the one hand I applaud Tesla for being so open about what their system is thinking with their visualisations. That could be interpreted to show a deep belief in their system's capabilities. On the other hand, it's always terrified me how jittery any version of AutoPilot's perception of the world is. Would you let your car be driven by someone with zero object permanence, 10/20 vision and only a vague idea of the e…

I test drove a Model 3 yesterday and this was something that really jumped out at me. I didn't try any of the automatic driving features, but driving around Brooklyn watching the way the car was perceiving the world around it did not inspire confidence at all.

Tesla's over the top marketing and hype seems at once to have been a key ingredient in their success, but also so frustrating because their product is genuinely awesome. I've long been kind of a skeptic but I could not have been more impressed with the test drive I took. It had me ready to buy in about 90 seconds. I wish there were actually-competitive competitors with similar range and power that aren't weird looking SUVs, from brands that don't lean into pure hype.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by 300bps » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:29 PM UTC

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Speaking as someone who believed all the hype about having fully autonomous cars by 2020, I think the truth is that it is orders of magnitude harder than we thought it was and that we are orders of magnitude less capable than we thought we were.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by fabatka » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:29 PM UTC

mwint wrote: post #87

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction. I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"

What do you mean by "nagivation issue"? I don't see the navigation system changing momentarily and then back (that would be analogous to your example). If in your phrasing the navigation system includes object recognition then if it istructs the car to suddenly steer right without any real reason, how could we trust that it stops before hitting pedestrians? Even if in this situation it would've corrected itself, I wouldn't say that this is a minor issue.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by Someone1234 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:29 PM UTC

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #13

closetnerd wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we thinking that Elon super fans might do this?

Edit: I was being dumb and am wrong. This is YouTube's internal system for copyrights not DCMA. Apologies. Old comment below... You can read up on how to submit DCMA takedowns for YouTube here -> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807622?hl=en The original uploader of the video submitted the DCMA takedown request.

Your YouTube support link isn't about the DMCA, and in fact is an attempt at trying to get people to use their system instead of the DMCA.

YouTube's internal copyright takedown system is just that: Internal. DMCA is a legal avenue that you can use against YouTube and their users, but it wouldn't be via their internal copyright take down system.

It is in YouTube's best interests for you NOT to use the DMCA as there are avenues where it can leave YouTube themselves civilly liable (OCILLA[0]), so they work hard to funnel people into their internal copyright system that doesn't expose YT.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_...

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by rwcarlsen » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

mwint wrote: post #87

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction. I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"

So you're saying the tesla self driving capability is on par with humans driving at near their worst in a panic'd sort of circumstance. Great!

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by sidibe » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

ballenf wrote: post #78

ra7 wrote: post #44

Interestingly, the original creator of the video has since made it private. FSD beta testers are carefully handpicked — a lot of the Tesla “influencers” are given access for some free marketing. I wonder how many FSD bad driving videos are not uploaded to YouTube at all because they don’t want to say anything negative about Tesla and possibly lose influence/ad revenue. This is on top of Tesla classifying FSD as level…

Do you know if the terms of those arrangements give Tesla copyright ownership of the videos? Just wondering whether the driver or Tesla issued the DMCA.

The driver is a big fan of Tesla (even in that video he was very impressed with FSD 10). I think he probably deleted it himself because of the backlash

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by ptidhomme » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

joshribakoff wrote: post #70

I have FSD but not the beta. When cars cut across my lane autopilot will not react for a solid second or so, then proceeds to slam on the brakes after the car is clear. It does not instill confidence to say the least. From my POV it feels like someone put a debounce on the reaction to prevent phantom breaking, to the point the car doesn’t brake when it needs to.

IIRC there was also a 1 second delay before reaction on the Uber car that crashed into a pedestrian.

There must be quite a lot of false alarms to filter out...

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by knicholes » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

ChrisKnott wrote: post #63

Maximise the video and watch the left hand HUD pane from 0:10 to 0:11. The dotted black line coming from the front of the car (which I am assuming is the intended route) quickly snaps from straight ahead, to a hair pin right, to a normal right turn. Ignoring the fact that the right turn happened to be into a pedestrian crossing with people on it - what was the car even trying to do? The sat-nav shows it should have j…

Maybe their reinforcement learning algorithm allows for a bit of exploration, and that was one of the very unlikely actions for it to take.

Re: Video of Tesla FSD almost hitting pedestrian receives DMCA takedown

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Post by tzs » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #85

mzs wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must yield to pedestrian in crosswalk, how far away the pedestrian is does not matter.

But what does "yield" mean? It means slow down, and proceed when it's safe to do so. If a pedestrian starts crossing a 4-lane road and I have time to turn across his path without making him stop or deviate, then I can proceed safely and I think I've met the definition of "yield"

In Washington, where the video was recorded, the rule is that you must stop and remain stopped as long as there are pedestrians in the crosswalk in in your half of the roadway or within one lane of your half of the roadway.

"Half of the roadway" is defined as all traffic lanes carrying traffic in one direction. In the case of a one-way road such as the one in the video "half of the roadway" is the whole road.

In your 4-lane hypothetical, if there are two lanes in each direction you can drive through the crosswalk if the pedestrian is in the farthest away opposite direction lane from the lane you are in. In a 4-lane road with 1 lane in one direction and 3 in the other, you can drive through if you are in that 1 and the pedestrian is in the farthest 2 away from you. If you are in one of the 3 going the other way, you have to stop no matter which lane they are in, because they are either in your half (the 3 lanes going your direction), or within 1 lane of your half.