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Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by subsaharancoder »

random314 wrote: post #429
tastyfreeze wrote: post #385

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Anecdote to support your statement: A close friend that tested positive for COVID last year works at a hospital. They saw no value in getting vaccinated since they had already been infected and recovered. They were given an ultimatum last month of "get vaccinated or find a new job". Reason has left the building.

How it would have hurt to get a vaccine?

>How it would have hurt to get a vaccine?

Notice how easy it is to conveniently jettison the science + data and just demand that people "tow the line or else.."

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by [deleted] »

macintux wrote: post #217
CountDrewku wrote: post #197

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>They could no longer empathise with their patients, each describing a visceral anger at tending to ICUs of COVID patients, all unvaccinated. Did you ask them if they treat obese people the same way?

If obesity could be prevented with a simple shot, and was otherwise overwhelming our healthcare system, that might be a useful question.

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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macintux wrote: post #439
dham wrote: post #430

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I mean you could get Osha to start banning foods or do whatever with the jurisdiction they have now. Tax sugar out of existence. Then government subsidize all healthier foods. I mean the amount of money we spent no Covid we could have done all this.... But wait are you saying people should be able to make their on decisions? Obesity effects only a single person. Nope obesity is transmissible. I've seen too many coupl…

No one in the history of the world has died from obesity two weeks after simply spending time with another obese person.

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by CountDrewku »

macintux wrote: post #217
CountDrewku wrote: post #197

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>They could no longer empathise with their patients, each describing a visceral anger at tending to ICUs of COVID patients, all unvaccinated. Did you ask them if they treat obese people the same way?

If obesity could be prevented with a simple shot, and was otherwise overwhelming our healthcare system, that might be a useful question.

It IS overwhelming our health system. The 1,3, and 9th causes of death can all be attributed to in whole or at least in part to obesity. And guess what it has a super simple treatment called exercise and healthy diet. You can add it to reasons for dying from COVID as well.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-...

While we're at it since you seem to be really into some weird sort of eugenics mindset why don't you let us all know whether drug addicts should get treated? You might wanna tread carefully on this authoritarian attitude you've got going. You're treading a very fine line deciding who's worthy of treatment and who's not.

I do not want a medical system that gets to pass judgement on who they're going to administer treatment to. That's absolutely horrifying. These nurses can vent all they want but the moment they suggest they're not going to do everything they can to save people they should be relieved of their jobs.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #539
spywaregorilla wrote: post #278

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There are no long term studies on COVID. But what informatrion we do have suggests it can cause prolonged damage. Including erectile dysfunction.

Damn near (i.e. I no of no exceptions but I'm hedging my bets against the nit-pickers) every respiratory disease comes with a litany of possible long term effects that tend to mostly affect the people with the worst cases. Covid doesn't yet seem to be particularly special thus far in terms of likelihood or severity of long term effects. If you can't breath stuff in your body breaks. Water is wet. More news at 11.

Reads to me like dismissing a burning building because it's just a typical fire.

COVID doesn't need to be worse than other respiratory diseases to be a problem if the baseline level of long term damage is bad.

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Post by macintux »

CountDrewku wrote: post #554
macintux wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If obesity could be prevented with a simple shot, and was otherwise overwhelming our healthcare system, that might be a useful question.

It IS overwhelming our health system. The 1,3, and 9th causes of death can all be attributed to in whole or at least in part to obesity. And guess what it has a super simple treatment called exercise and healthy diet. You can add it to reasons for dying from COVID as well. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-... While we're at it since you seem to be really into some weird sort of eugenics min…

> While we're at it since you seem to be really into some weird sort of eugenics mindset

I’m morbidly curious what leads you to say that.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by arrakis2021 »

I’ve been vaccinated.

I’ve had Covid.

I’m done, thank you.

I’m not subscribing to a lifetime of shots. If anyone else wants to do so please go ahead, but Im good.

And I expect this create even more pushback to the vaccine. The anti-vax crowd will say this is what the pharma gods want, to be paid subscription revenue in perpetuity by entire populations.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by jaz2130 »

cthalupa wrote: post #526
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #393

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Do you know about ADE? People with a vaccine that doesn’t stop infection may have a higher chance and time to help develop mutations in order for it to survive. It was extremely dangerous to push an imperfect vaccine, and because we know the current ones do not stop infection, transmission, or lower the viral load, that might be what has happened. IDK, not an epidemiologist. https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vacc…

Your own link says that there is zero evidence of ADE being an issue with CV19 and our vaccines.

Luc Montagnier, a Nobel Prize winner, is quite concerned about ADE and these vaccines creating mutations. He’s also unvaccinated.

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Post by zamalek »

jaz2130 wrote: post #558
cthalupa wrote: post #526

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Your own link says that there is zero evidence of ADE being an issue with CV19 and our vaccines.

Luc Montagnier, a Nobel Prize winner, is quite concerned about ADE and these vaccines creating mutations. He’s also unvaccinated.

So what? There are many more Nobel Prize winners who are vaccinated. Brilliance doesn't make you immune to stupidity.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by jMyles »

detaro wrote: post #193
jMyles wrote: post #186

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> 59 children have died just in Texas from Covid so far Obviously you realize this is a controversial, at best, assertion. What's your reasoning for why John's Hopkins wasn't able to find a single pediatric death _from_ COVID-19?

Because the study you reference only looked at data from early-ish in the pandemic, doesn't cover delta-variant or anything else that happened in the past year? (It's also not that difficult to find claims from John Hopkins that deaths in children have happened, so you obviously realize that the "wasn't able to find a single pediatric death" is a controversial, at best, assertion?)

Is there evidence of a massive uptick in pediatric deaths? So much so that we'd believe that, even as transmission patterns increasingly resemble endemic equilibrium, the results of this report (which, to my knowledge, is still, sadly, the only one of its kind) are completely reversed?

I think it's fair to say that the authors don't think so.

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