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Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by foota »

swader999 wrote: post #414
himinlomax wrote: post #86

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> Except that it doesn't prevent spread That's right, it doesn't prevent it, it reduces it. Just like wearing a seat belt does not prevent dying in a car accident but reduces the risk. You're just splitting hair.

I'm not saying it doesn't reduce individual risk for a period of time. It does. But vaccinating entire populations for a respiratory virus that mutates and stays infectious is a recipe for never ending boosters and has a strong possibility of creating more lethal variants because these will thrive in the vaccinated less severe masses when normally they'd be bed ridden, symptomatic and easily contained through contact…

The fact is that the majority of cases are still coming from unvaccinated people though, this hypothetical widespread infection of vaccinated people you're suggesting isn't happening.

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Post by grillvogel »

jrjarrett wrote: post #481

In the mid 70s I contracted measles. I was only 9 or 10 but I think I remember it was because there was a batch of vaccines that didn’t work, or maybe it was doctors learned we actually needed two doses. Whatever; I’d had the vaccination prescribed at the time, it didn’t work, I got measles. Fast forward 25 years to when I applied to grad school. There was a measles outbreak happening and in order to attend I either…

the pfizer authorization is based on 4 months of data (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/23/does-the-fda-think-thes...)

your 2nd measles vaccine had 25 years of data since your last one, they probably had enough time to know that it would be fine

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Post by Thlom »

bigbob2 wrote: post #343
Thlom wrote: post #144

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If you need a full day off work to vote you have other issues.

Sounds like you're assuming your situation applies to everyone.

I was referring to societal problems, not the individuals problems. Voting should be easy and accessible and not something you have to take the day off or several hours out of your day to get done. I literally spent 3 minutes voting this year on my way out of the vaccination center.

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Post by pseudalopex »

oytis wrote: post #23
ajross wrote: post #19

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> This title is misleading. It isn't about them not being needed. It also implies a level of consensus that doesn't exist. "Vaccine experts", as a whole, don't hold this opinion. This is about two specific dissenters in the FDA. It's not a completely cut and dry subject. There are tradeoffs with all such decisions, such as the value of a booster in one individual vs. a first injection to another in a different part o…

It's not just a couple of dissenters, the official position of WHO is the same - we need to vaccinate the whole world before booster shots and vaccinating children in the rich countries. As I see it there _is_ a consensus among scientists and healthcare professionals, but not among politicians who see booster shots necessary to keep their national economies up.

Not needed and needed more somewhere else are different.

Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by Thlom »

floxy wrote: post #447
Thlom wrote: post #157

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The US has not met their maximum vaccination percentage. According to the graph I get in Google the US is stuck on around 50% fully vaccinated. Considering the head start they had on most of the world and the vaccine supplies this can't be described as anything other than a complete and utter failure on all levels.

>According to the graph I get in Google the US is stuck on around 50% fully vaccinated. ...still seems like an upward trend at: https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trac... ...according to the CDC % of Population ≥ 18 Years of Age who have had at least one dose is 75.7%. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-...

Thanks. Maybe the data in Google is lagging or is showing percentage out of full population?

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crackercrews wrote: post #443
random314 wrote: post #433

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Citation?

> But thousands of people in the U.S. think they may have had other side effects that drugmakers and doctors never warned them about: unexpected changes in their menstrual cycles. [1] 1: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/09/1024190...

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Re: Vaccine experts: Covid-19 booster shots aren't needed now

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Post by betwixthewires »

random314 wrote: post #431
betwixthewires wrote: post #403

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How is it morally bankrupt to care about yourself more than people you don't know?

How does getting a vaccine affect a young healthy person negatively? It is immoral for the same reason as refusing to help others survive at zero cost to you.

If you answer my question I'll answer yours.

The vaccine does not come with 0 cost.

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Post by noobly »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #213
thesis wrote: post #187

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Yikes. Idiots? All this condescension all the time. Maybe some people won’t get the vaccine because they already had Covid. Israeli study showed that people who had Covid are more protected than the vaccinated.

I’m not sure what else you would call someone with such a skewed risk assessment that they think taking a vaccine that has proven to be incredibly safe and effective, provided free of charge, isn’t worth their time. Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19. We have a much better idea with the vaccines. Even more, studies suggest that unvaccinate…

What if there's long term effects from vaccination? Seems to me we won't know the full risk profile for several more years.

I'm not at risk for COVID so it doesn't make sense to take on additional unknown risk in this case.

I also believe people should be able to make their own decisions, and believe I'm doing my part in exercising that right and sticking it to the man (which is more like a hive mind today really).

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Post by dTal »

serf wrote: post #387
beamatronic wrote: post #310

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Any kind of equivalence statement to the flu is a well-known conservative "dog whistle"

that's exactly why you should rethink the concept of a 'dog whistle'. 1 ) painting an individual politically by extrapolating a single opinion across their entire persona is irresponsible and over-simple. 2 ) 'conservative' is over-generalized to the point of uselessness and ambiguity. it's a concept (dog whistle) that is used strictly for generating rage and calling other individuals to arms so that the crowd picks…

>it's a concept (dog whistle) that is used strictly for generating rage and calling other individuals to arms so that the crowd picks up torches and pitchforks and follows your lede in attacking an individual's opinion with as little prompting or individual thought as possible.

It is not used strictly for that, indeed would be ineffective for that purpose were it not also a useful word. It means "warning, this seemingly innocent reference/argument/line of argument has historically been used by people with questionable motives, and warrants extra scrutiny".

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