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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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If they had any morals yes. The fact that they sentence people to be held in cages for victimless crimes means they don't deserve the respect they needlessly demand from others.

It's pretty clear HN isn't in support of even the notion that enforcement of victimless drug laws is tyrannical. This is a terrifying but accurate view of our current society.

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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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post #105

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If they had any morals yes. The fact that they sentence people to be held in cages for victimless crimes means they don't deserve the respect they needlessly demand from others.

It's pretty clear HN isn't in support of even the notion that enforcement of victimless drug laws is tyrannical. This is a terrifying but accurate view of our current society.

Woosh.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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It's pretty clear HN isn't in support of even the notion that enforcement of victimless drug laws is tyrannical. This is a terrifying but accurate view of our current society.

Woosh .

aye.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I found my way to court feeds (namely Judge Middleton's[1]) during Covid. Incidentally i'm listening to Aug 19's proceedings now. Seeing these specific clips go viral feels like a microcosm of modern consumption habits. There is so much to learn about the legal system and, more broadly, about the nature of people in trying circumstances watching court proceedings. The pureness of exchanges and the total lack of edito…

And then you have cases like State of Georgia Vs. Denver Fenton Allen. (Adult Swim did a re-enactment it was so salty)

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I found my way to court feeds (namely Judge Middleton's[1]) during Covid. Incidentally i'm listening to Aug 19's proceedings now. Seeing these specific clips go viral feels like a microcosm of modern consumption habits. There is so much to learn about the legal system and, more broadly, about the nature of people in trying circumstances watching court proceedings. The pureness of exchanges and the total lack of edito…

And then you have cases like State of Georgia Vs. Denver Fenton Allen. (Adult Swim did a re-enactment it was so salty)

I'm not sure I'd consider death threats aimed at children just "salty"? https://www.ajc.com/blog/legal/georgia-judge-loses-over-vulg...

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Why do you assume it's the upbringing? It could be any kind of brain injury, in utero or post birth, heavy metal poisoning or simply genetic. This kind of behavior does not strike me as learned but rather as a deficiency. On top of that the defendant looks rather dumb.

I would assume it's the upbringing because I don't think impulse control is actually a very natural behavior. There's a reason it's called "primal rage". On the flip side, self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. Sure, many people learn them through other means than from their parents, often as a survival necessity in the…

> self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered.

I got news for ya bub. They aren't learned. They can be honed to a small degree. They cannot be mastered.

When you have ADHD you realize this.

And to your last thing. Not in all cases but in some.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

Consider that the only power a judge has is to say things, and write things. The legal system only works if enough people respect it and do things just because the judge said to do the thing. Our society only works if the legal system keeps working. Insisting that people respect the court is a large part of why this works. Even if maybe in some particular instance you could get away with not insisting on that, that's…

I'd say the only important power is the ability to enforce their decisions. Respect makes things smoother, but is not necessary. And power alone will naturally command respect from most people.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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> It's a cycle/ disease. It is only recently that we’ve (in the West) had a generation or two of the majority of us being raised without suffering direct experience of war. Just as children who are abused often go on to be abusers in adulthood, I suspect societies that suffer war often become abusive post-war.

For sure. My feeling is that the root/ meta cause is anything where the illusion of control over your own destiny is taken away. A parent can beat a young child no matter what the child thinks about it; a bomb can blow your life apart no matter what you think about it. Having a feeling of agency is incredibly important to feeling part of society.

I expect a lot of the oppositional behaviour re: covid we’ve recently witnessed, have their roots in a need to assert an illusion of control, in much the same way toddlers assert control by refusing food or holding their bodily functions.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I would assume it's the upbringing because I don't think impulse control is actually a very natural behavior. There's a reason it's called "primal rage". On the flip side, self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. Sure, many people learn them through other means than from their parents, often as a survival necessity in the…

It's part of social functioning, and we obviously have genes for that purpose. Other social animals have comparable instincts, such as respect for dominance hierarchies among others.

> and we obviously have genes for that purpose

That's far from obvious. You can't just observe some trait in an organism, and conclude "that must have genetic origins".

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine. They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them. Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO. YMMV So what does this statement reveal about me?

What value do you see in it as a long-term teaching tool? Whenever I have caught myself feeling that way it’s because they’ve done something risky that has scared me at a subconscious level and I want to lash out. I’ve never once had a rational reason for feeling that way.

I guess the two values I see are having an extra level in your varieties of punishment - a "nuclear option" perhaps.

The other is softer - I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child. Could it build toughness? Might my child be more likely to stand up to a bully?

From a self defence perspective, a big part of personal development is overcoming aversion to pain - eg not flinching in boxing/mma.

In any case I think there are alternatives to learning these lessons and disciplining your children and I think in our environment it would do a lot of emotional damage that isn't worth the benefits - hence why I probably won't hit my children.

That said, I find it curious that only one to two generations ago it was fully the norm.

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