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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

Why do you assume it's the upbringing? It could be any kind of brain injury, in utero or post birth, heavy metal poisoning or simply genetic. This kind of behavior does not strike me as learned but rather as a deficiency. On top of that the defendant looks rather dumb.

I would assume it's the upbringing because I don't think impulse control is actually a very natural behavior. There's a reason it's called "primal rage".

On the flip side, self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. Sure, many people learn them through other means than from their parents, often as a survival necessity in their environments, but I don't think that e.g. the people who fly off the handle and get into a bar fight when someone's hitting on their girlfriend, are doing so because of heavy metal poisoning or genetics.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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You can censor live events for nuisances like strong language or nudity, but you can't protect the privacy of victims? You would be absolutely astonished, how many women are intimidated/assaulted each year. The infection rates of covid pale against that.

I'm not sure why is it that you only mention "women" here, are you implying men are never assaulted?

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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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You underestimate the amount of crazy living on the internet. There are a lot of misogynistic incels that think most women claiming to be abused are lying. I could easily see one of them being crazy enough to SWAT her in retaliation. Is it likely? Probably not. But considering we've had mass shooters who have cited their inceldom as their motive, it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility.

Your scenario had occurred to me, and it’s not wildly improbable. But I don’t think we should form public policy, especially if our adjustments might be disharmonious with the Constitution, on the basis of any scenarios that we can dream up. In this case the accused already knows where she lives, and any imagined affect on her security by publishing her address depends on supposition.

The accused isn't always the only threat to the victim; even if they are put behind bars, they may often have associations to other perpetrators yet to be found.

In any case, this logic is tantamount to:

"We don't see any immediate threat to posting the first 3 digits of victim's SSN in the transcript, and they don't have any ID theft criminals yet, so let's just post the first 3 digits for the hell of it."

Residential address is equally unnecessary. No need to post their address for the hell of it.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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My understanding is that only judges can share these recordings because it would be an ethical violation for the lawyers to do it, but I wonder, why isn't it an ethical issue for the Judge?

It varies from court to court, but in general the judge has the responsibility of evaluating whether public interest outweighs rights to privacy for any given piece of recorded court information. I'd imagine it is an ethical issue, but the judge has the authority to evaluate the ethics and reach a decision.

I would imagine it is harder for the judge to benefit from sharing recordings, where a lawyer could use a release recording to promote their practice or attempt to sway public option in the event of a mistrial.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I have seen this video before this HN post. There is a follow up video depicting our antagonist from a jail. He loses his temper and is put on mute. You can see from his body language how distressed he is. It disturbed me greatly. This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. I can only imagine the kind of environment that helps create a person like that… It is so sad.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

Studies of identical twins with different upbringing has found that outcomes are like 70% genetic and 30% environment.

Anecdotally, I grew up an environment with good parents and siblings with different genetic parents. One of us had been in jail and juvy several times by age 18 due in part to impulse-control related problems.

Today a diagnosis of significant ADHD might have been given. Then it was not as well understood.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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You can censor live events for nuisances like strong language or nudity, but you can't protect the privacy of victims? You would be absolutely astonished, how many women are intimidated/assaulted each year. The infection rates of covid pale against that.

Roughly 300,000 people were assaulted in 2019 (last year of uniform crime stats from the FBI). The annualized amount of COVID-19 death is about 400,000.

Correction: 300,000 reported assaulted, not 300,000 assaulted.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine.

They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them.

Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO.

YMMV

So what does this statement reveal about me?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

It does matter. These are serious matters and judges need respect for the court and the proceedings.
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