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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by futureshock »

liquidise wrote: post #43

I found my way to court feeds (namely Judge Middleton's[1]) during Covid. Incidentally i'm listening to Aug 19's proceedings now. Seeing these specific clips go viral feels like a microcosm of modern consumption habits. There is so much to learn about the legal system and, more broadly, about the nature of people in trying circumstances watching court proceedings. The pureness of exchanges and the total lack of edito…

Thanks, that's quite interesting. Video conferencing does seem to hold a lot of potential for these kinds of proceedings. I imagine it would allow for a much more efficient use of the court's time. But Zoom seems like an absolutely terrible tool and the court has been abysmally trained on it's proper use. It looks like a big missed opportunity for Zoom and a big unmet need.

The stream I watched was a landlord-tenant dispute hearing. It was sad to hear people's pretty desperate circumstances, but also fascinating to learn just how long a leash the court might give you on debt and eviction if you know how to work the system, as some tenants and the anti-homelessness orgs helping them seemed to understand. We have a pretty weird system all in all, patch after patch on this "Capitalism OS."

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by kevingadd »

worker767424 wrote: post #120

> [Judge] Middleton then asked Harris to divulge the address where he was. Harris gave a house number on East Lafayette Street. Is this bordering on a Fifth Amendment violation since the judge asked this or a future mistrial since the defense attorney didn't try to stop it?

Harris could have refused

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by kempbellt »

DFHippie wrote: post #127
tobr wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don’t have to ask, because what I personally would it wouldn’t do in various situations has nothing to do with what’s an appropriate response for someone who’s job it is to impartially evaluate evidence. Even if the defendant literally did spit in the face of the judge, a good judge should not react in a way that would give anyone reason to think they let that affect their ruling.

You are focusing too much on the immediate context. Yes, the judge must remain impartial and resist being provoked, but the judicial system depends on people's respect. This being this case, their behavior isn't the only thing they must take into consideration. They must consider how this behavior will be interpreted by others. If they are the platonic ideal of impartiality but they are perceived as fools, this weake…

You're making the judge sound like an abusive spouse. Must be treated with respect!

Respect is earned, regardless of statute.

The judge could have simply asked the defendant to fix his screen name and moved on, and he would have had my respect for the professionalism. Instead, respect has been lost.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by quantumBerry »

Sargos wrote: post #105
jjulius wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you in regards to the need to greatly reform how we handle and prosecute (or don't prosecute) drug-related crimes, but having said that, what is the judge to do? Ignore a law and sentencing guidelines entirely?

If they had any morals yes. The fact that they sentence people to be held in cages for victimless crimes means they don't deserve the respect they needlessly demand from others.

It's pretty clear HN isn't in support of even the notion that enforcement of victimless drug laws is tyrannical. This is a terrifying but accurate view of our current society.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tclancy »

yomly wrote: post #69
tclancy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine. They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them. Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO. YMMV So what does this statement reveal about me?

What value do you see in it as a long-term teaching tool? Whenever I have caught myself feeling that way it’s because they’ve done something risky that has scared me at a subconscious level and I want to lash out. I’ve never once had a rational reason for feeling that way.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by perl4ever »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #76
yomly wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine. They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them. Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO. YMMV So what does this statement reveal about me?

Well, my guess is you're trying to defend "occasional physical punishment on rare occasions, such as when a child has done something life-endangering." What this specifically reveals is some level of naïve obliviousness to the extant patterns of violence, both physical and emotional, which abusive parents apply to their kids in practice, and the emotional harms that many children will suffer under such disciplinary r…

>my guess is you're trying to defend "occasional physical punishment on rare occasions, such as when a child has done something life-endangering."

I mean, you can let someone touch a hot stove, or not. Is letting them learn for themselves abusive? I believe that was how I learned that specific lesson, not by being hit when I reached.

On the other hand, there are things that you can't let someone learn for themselves because they won't live through it.

And what about hurting other people? Is it possible that there is an empathy circuit that doesn't necessarily get wired properly if early on, pain isn't connected to hurting others?

This doesn't have to be applied by humans in all cases. You bother the cat, it slaps you.

If physical punishment is unacceptable, does that mean the cat should be declawed so it can't do that?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tclancy »

moistly wrote: post #90
tclancy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

> It's a cycle/ disease. It is only recently that we’ve (in the West) had a generation or two of the majority of us being raised without suffering direct experience of war. Just as children who are abused often go on to be abusers in adulthood, I suspect societies that suffer war often become abusive post-war.

For sure. My feeling is that the root/ meta cause is anything where the illusion of control over your own destiny is taken away. A parent can beat a young child no matter what the child thinks about it; a bomb can blow your life apart no matter what you think about it. Having a feeling of agency is incredibly important to feeling part of society.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tclancy »

Aerroon wrote: post #125
tclancy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

> I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. Maybe it's not a cycle, but genetic instead. It would appear like a cycle because the children will end up doing what the parents did, but they might simply be predisposed to it.

Maaaayybe. But I would guess any number of twins/ adoption studies suggest otherwise. Blaming it on something uncontrollable is worse because it suggests there is no reason to try to do better.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by mkr-hn »

mrlatinos wrote: post #29

This happened 5 months ago. HN looking like my YT recommendations

HN often hosts discussions on things that happened long enough ago that they wouldn't fit the usual definition of news. This fact isn't news, or a problem.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by [deleted] »

quantumBerry wrote: post #134
Sargos wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had any morals yes. The fact that they sentence people to be held in cages for victimless crimes means they don't deserve the respect they needlessly demand from others.

It's pretty clear HN isn't in support of even the notion that enforcement of victimless drug laws is tyrannical. This is a terrifying but accurate view of our current society.

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